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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Heaven View Post
    Probably sign with Boston so he could be close with the Spittin Chiclets dudes
    Would they open the vault for a guy like Hayes ? I don't think so.

    What I find confusing: the teams with plenty of cap space to give guys like Hayes/Zuke the extra years and bigger AAV are either (1) bad teams (2) small markets. They're not getting that unreal contract from a good team like TB or a rising team like Toronto. Those teams are either paying their own or signing a blue-chipper like Tavares.

    I'd love to hear from a hockey agent -- they talk much less than the agents in baseball, football, and basketball -- what their gameplan is for guys like Hayes.

    I guess we'll know in a few months. But if he ends up in Arizona for 5 or 6 years @ $7 MM a year, you really have to wonder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeetchFan View Post
    See my post above.

    It's not that I "hate" them -- it's just that what we get back can't really improve us that much.

    If we were a horrible, 60 point team (full season) then yeah, the players and picks we get back bring us back to marginal playoff contention.

    But do they make us a perennial playoff team...a Cup contender ? No way, IMO.
    but neither did the guys the rangers traded ,and they where going to cost a lot in the cap world,might as well rebuild ,all the draft picks and prospects picked up by the rangers overt the last few years all help this ranger team

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeetchFan View Post
    Would they open the vault for a guy like Hayes ? I don't think so.

    What I find confusing: the teams with plenty of cap space to give guys like Hayes/Zuke the extra years and bigger AAV are either (1) bad teams (2) small markets. They're not getting that unreal contract from a good team like TB or a rising team like Toronto. Those teams are either paying their own or signing a blue-chipper like Tavares.

    I'd love to hear from a hockey agent -- they talk much less than the agents in baseball, football, and basketball -- what their gameplan is for guys like Hayes.

    I guess we'll know in a few months. But if he ends up in Arizona for 5 or 6 years @ $7 MM a year, you really have to wonder.
    so you would be ok giving Hayes over 7 mill for six years,and not think this would come back and bite you i the rear end

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    Rangers Trade F Kevin Hayes to WPG for 2019 1st, F Brendan Lemieux, Conditional Pick

    When we win our next Cup it’s likely that no Ranger from the past 3-5 very good seasons will be on that team - Henrik included. We will win the Cup with most, if not all ‘new’ names we don’t yet know. I wish that was not the case but seriously...

    If Lemieux gives us 7 and possibly 10 minutes of Avery/Prust energy and helps us get some swagger back I’m all for it. Put the Ice Capades’ skirts away!!

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    NYR getting calls on Lemieux pretty much as soon as he was acquired. Likely moves on the Rangers blue line with McQuaid and Claesson expected to go.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 4EverRangerFrank View Post
    When we win our next Cup it’s likely that no Ranger from the past 3-5 very good seasons will be on that team - Henrik included. We will win the Cup with most, if not all ‘new’ names we’re yet to know. I wish that was not the case but seriously...

    If Lemieux gives us 7 and possibly 10 minutes of Avery/Prust energy and helps us get some swagger back I’m all for it. Put the Ice Capades’ skirts away!!
    I think the kid's got some talent, big guy. I read in Longtime's post that teams are asking about him already and we just dealt for him! But yeah, the skirts go in the closet for this team going forward.

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    Rangers Getting Calls on Brendan Lemeiux

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    NYR getting calls on Lemieux pretty much as soon as he was acquired. Likely moves on the Rangers blue line with McQuaid and Claesson expected to go.


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    hope he is a better fighter than his dad,his dad was a great agitator ,but not so good of a fighter ,the refs where his protection,pretty much like Samuelsson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.wiskers View Post
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    NYR getting calls on Lemieux pretty much as soon as he was acquired. Likely moves on the Rangers blue line with McQuaid and Claesson expected to go.


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    I wonder what teams are offering. I have seriously no idea how much he’s worth.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lefty9 View Post
    hope he is a better fighter than his dad,his dad was a great agitator ,but not so good of a fighter ,the refs where his protection,pretty much like Samuelsson
    Is that really a concern? I hope he never fights but plays the way his father did...especially in the playoffs!

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    His Daddy was tough as nails. Hopefully he'll turn into a Gallagher(MTL) type player. Quinn's going to love this kid.

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    This isn’t as much about the return the Rangers got from Winnipeg as it is about Kevin Hayes. Because once you accept the fact management never quite bought into No. 13 as a worthy and dependable enough core piece to award a five- or six-year contract extension at somewhere around $6-6.5 million per, then the first-rounder and bottom-six winger Brendan Lemieux acquired from the Jets by general manager Jeff Gorton is a reasonable rental return.
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    Uncle Larry on Hayes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
    Is that really a concern? I hope he never fights but plays the way his father did...especially in the playoffs!
    not so much in today s hockey,but if you start something you should finish .
    Not saying he should go out there and look to start fighting,but is you are a dirty player or play a grinding game ,except to be challenced

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    I really hate that condition that if Jets 1st pick manages to be in the top 3 then the Jets keep it and give Rangers 2020 1st. It's not likely but we are talking about the Rangers who don't get lucky very often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBrowningPI View Post
    I really hate that condition that if Jets 1st pick manages to be in the top 3 then the Jets keep it and give Rangers 2020 1st. It's not likely but we are talking about the Rangers who don't get lucky very often.
    The Jets won't win the draft lottery. Winnipeg finishing outside of the playoffs alone would require a collapse of near-epic proportions.
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    It's a really small chance their pingpong ball gets in the top 3 but regardless how they do, they still get their ball(s) in the mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBrowningPI View Post
    It's a really small chance their pingpong ball gets in the top 3 but regardless how they do, they still get their ball(s) in the mix.
    Actually they don’t. They have no chance of winning the lottery as things stand currently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeetchFan View Post
    My problem with this isn't that we aren't getting "fair" value -- it's that the NHL is not the NFL. If we were stockpiling 1st-Round picks or 2nd Round or even 3rd Round picks, those have 90%/80%/70% success rates of being impact players within a year or two or three.

    Not so in the NHL.

    Unless we get super-lucky and hit on a late-1st, we're probably drafting 4th line and 3rd line players at best.

    Unless we can package like 2 or 3 or 4 firsts and some seconds to someone in the Top 5 or Top 3 -- and I doubt the other team wants that.
    Bravo - well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    Actually they don’t. They have no chance of winning the lottery as things stand currently.
    I guess my understanding of the lottery system is suspect.

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    So....theres a conditional pick that if winnipeg goes all the way we get another pick because then our first would be the last pick of the first round but theres another conditional pick that if by some miracle their first rounder is a great pick we dont get it either. Lol. Why Would we make it bulletproof for the Jets whencwe are already giving them a sought after piece for a serious cup run?

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