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    Time to Sit Hayes and Zuccarello

    Uncle Larry on Hayes and Zucc:

    It wasn’t necessarily the money, but rather the contract length asks that turned the negotiations with the players’ agents into non-starters, The Post has learned. Not only are extensions effectively off the table, the prospect of July 1 free-agent reunions are most unrealistic. When Zuccarello and Hayes go, you should expect them to stay gone.
    Zuccarello, who agreed under some duress to a club-friendly four-year extension at the 2015 deadline, is believed to be seeking five years this time around. The 31-year-old probably will be able to get it on the open market on July 1, but that type of commitment is not viable for the Rangers. Hayes, who will turn 27 during the playoffs, is believed to be seeking six or seven years. That’s too much for the Blueshirts, who could have signed the center to a five-year deal over the summer but passed.
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    The Blueshirts have also received inquiries on Chris Kreider, with the Maple Leafs, Bruins and Predators believed to be three interested parties, but we’re told the winger is only available if general manager Jeff Gorton receives an offer he cannot refuse for No. 20. Thus far, no severed horses’ heads have appeared between the sheets.
    Mentions McQuaid as well, but I can't say I disagree with much of what he's saying here. If term on both is accurate, thanks but no thanks.

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    Right now, we must take every report out there with a pinch of salt.

    I think the Rangers are trying to get two messages across:

    1) We are completely fine with keeping and extending Zucc and Hayes, so you have to put up a decent offer
    2) Despite 1), we don't count on taking them back at July 1st. If you trade for them, they're yours.

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    I don't think there's anybody out there who actually buys 1) though. If they'd been negotiating since November then sure. But to try and pass off negotiations magically happening 10 days before the deadline? Pull the other one.

    Agree with Brooks though. It's bubble wrap time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesy View Post
    I don't think there's anybody out there who actually buys 1) though. If they'd been negotiating since November then sure. But to try and pass off negotiations magically happening 10 days before the deadline? Pull the other one.

    Agree with Brooks though. It's bubble wrap time.
    Agreed, but it's intelligent to at least try and convey that message. The point is that we shouldn't read too much into anything we hear before monday night - it's all spin.

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    I agree with that. I'm just not convinced it's very effective spin.
    Every man and his dog knows the Rangers are trading Zuccarello and Hayes.

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    100% correct. Protect the assets. They're gone. Don't fuck this up over attempts at moral victory.
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    Not sure why you wouldn't go 6-7 years on a 27 year old, but r'ok!

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    6 years in the offseason after squeezing out another first rounder is fine with me
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    i keep wrestling whether its better to keep him or move him. guess it boils down to what we're offered versus what we have down the middle in the pipeline (andersson)?
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    They're all playing tonight according to Brooks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsrangers View Post
    They're all playing tonight according to Brooks.
    Quinn said he would "play them unless told otherwise"

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    Can the human mind imagine a more stupid decision?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsrangers View Post
    They're all playing tonight according to Brooks.
    Yea, that'll mean a lot more at 6:59 lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesy View Post
    Can the human mind imagine a more stupid decision?
    Makes you believe that nothing is imminent, right? I'm guessing we'll see them moved on Monday rather than any sooner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesy View Post
    Can the human mind imagine a more stupid decision?
    SEE: Jussie Smollett thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
    Makes you believe that nothing is imminent, right? I'm guessing we'll see them moved on Monday rather than any sooner.
    A lot of talk around last night/today that prices for Stone & Duchene are too high so teams looking at secondary options so they completely miss out on Monday. Could mean something before the deadline, for the Rangers.
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    have to keep playing them if you are posturing that you are willing to keep them.
    "We're all f*cked. It helps to remember that." - George Carlin

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    Quote Originally Posted by fletch View Post
    have to keep playing them if you are posturing that you are willing to keep them.
    That shit isn’t fooling anybody. And in any case, Zuccarello told Norwegian press "It's highly unlikely I'll be here another 3 days" after the game so the ruse is definitely done.
    Playing them is ridiculous.
    Last edited by Gravesy; 02-22-2019 at 03:39 AM.

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    right... so there's a good argument that getting players injured is a bigger risk or potential cost, with little upside. i'm ready for feb 26 to see who is on the rangers for me to root for. the fan in me is going to be sad when zuccarello leaves, so in my mind I am still doing the if/when Zucc leaves gymnastics. There is a small percentage chance (maybe less than 1%) that there is some snafu with paperwork, undisclosed injury, etc. that Zucc is still a ranger feb 26. But the right deal is better for the franchise. Why fans would be terrible GMs, they get emotionally attached to players, and can't separate out the emotion, and make the cold calculation for what is best for the franchise moving forward, on different time frames (immediate vs 1 year vs 5 year futures). Lots of smart people are paid full time to provide assessments for the decision makers to make hard decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fletch View Post
    have to keep playing them if you are posturing that you are willing to keep them.
    Exact opposite. Sit them as part of the negotiation process to get that price down
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