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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    But then what do you do with Georgiev? He's proven to absolutely deserve those games.

    I'm thinking more and more that Shestyorkin stays in the KHL for another year or two.
    They can fight it out in camp and one starts in Hartford. I don't get the "Hey this guy is decent so lets not even see what the other guy can do" approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    They can fight it out in camp and one starts in Hartford. I don't get the "Hey this guy is decent so lets not even see what the other guy can do" approach.
    This is why I don't think it makes sense for Shesty. Why take less money - presumably - to maybe play in Hartford?

    That quote isn't even in the same ballpark of what I said.

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    Yes, it is. Who cares what happens to Geogriev? Who ever is better gets to backup Hank. All Georgiev deserves is a spot at camp.


    It makes sense for Shesty because he has confidence in his ability to earn time in the NHL. It makes sense for the Rangers because you don't want a 23 year old to sign another 3 year deal in the KHL. Sign him, get him in the mix. Competition is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    Yes, it is. Who cares what happens to Geogriev? Who ever is better gets to backup Hank. All Georgiev deserves is a spot at camp.


    It makes sense for Shesty because he has confidence in his ability to earn time in the NHL. It makes sense for the Rangers because you don't want a 23 year old to sign another 3 year deal in the KHL. Sign him, get him in the mix. Competition is good.
    No, it's not. Because I get competition, but it doesn't really make sense. You're creating a goalie competition for no reason and then forcing your hand by wasting an NHL player in Hartford.

    Why would he have to sign a 3-year deal? NYR could say "we like you but, there's a good chance you'll be in Hartford. We'll no more next year." And then he takes 1-year, makes a lot more money, and doesn't have to play in the AHL. It's not like he needs to be in North America to develop.

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    Are there many goaltenders that go directly from the KHL to the NHL?

    Iím just wondering what that transition may be like for him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Puck Head View Post
    Are there many goaltenders that go directly from the KHL to the NHL?

    I’m just wondering what that transition may be like for him.


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    Bobrovsky did. Vasilevsky split his first 2 NA seasons between NHL and AHL. Varlamov spent one year in the AHL with a brief call up, and the next 2 years as a back up getting sent down a couple times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesy View Post
    A game misconduct and potential suspension for that
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    This is a couple of years old, so not sure how KHL contracts have changed:

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...hockey-league/

    By the time you got to #30 on the KHL's top contracts, you were only looking at a little over $1M. So while in the AHL, Shesterkin would only likely be looking at $70K plus around a $90K signing bonus each year, I'm not sure how much that leaves on the table. And if he thinks he can make it to the NHL, bonuses can push an ELC contract up over $3.5M per year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanJesus View Post
    This is a couple of years old, so not sure how KHL contracts have changed:

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...hockey-league/

    By the time you got to #30 on the KHL's top contracts, you were only looking at a little over $1M. So while in the AHL, Shesterkin would only likely be looking at $70K plus around a $90K signing bonus each year, I'm not sure how much that leaves on the table. And if he thinks he can make it to the NHL, bonuses can push an ELC contract up over $3.5M per year.
    That $3.5 number is almost impossible. Pulled from the CBA https://centericeview.wordpress.com/...-quick-primer/

    NHL Entry Level Contracts have the following components:

    Maximum Salary $925,000
    Signing Bonus: Limited to 10% of maximum salary or $92,500 (included in salary)
    Type A Bonus: Maximum $850,000 ($212,500 per individual bonus) for such performance based qualifiers such as ice time, goals, plus/minus
    Type B Bonus: Maximum $2,000,000 for league performance awards (example: top 5 post-season awards) per season
    Theoretically, a player could earn total compensation of $3,775,000
    I think you can basically rule out any "league performance awards" for Shestyorkin if he's playing 35 games or whatever on an ok-at-best team. So you're looking at a N.A. range of $160k-$1.8m, or a certain $1+m in the KHL, plus not having to live the AHL life in a new country.

    I feel like that's a no brainer for me, if I'm Shestyorkin.

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    how much is he making in the KHL now?

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    I don't think they release that info. The list Dave linked was leaked, if I'm not mistaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4EverRangerFrank View Post
    Bringing Shesty here now doesn't make sense overall does it? It will burn a year by having him play meaningless games at MSG -- not to mention Hartford if that's where they site him. I would agree that another season in KHL is a good idea.
    Disagree. Gotta get him over here ASAP. Get him working with Benoit Allaire and Hank sooner rather than later. He's already 23 so another season in the KHL puts him at 24 all of which are played on an entirely different sheet of ice with a lower caliber skillset.

    Get him over here to get used to everything. There's no such thing as a meaningless game in the AHL and definitely not at MSG. If he's playing for the Rangers organization, it'll only help his development
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    Disagree. Gotta get him over here ASAP. Get him working with Benoit Allaire and Hank sooner rather than later. He's already 23 so another season in the KHL puts him at 24 all of which are played on an entirely different sheet of ice with a lower caliber skillset.

    Get him over here to get used to everything. There's no such thing as a meaningless game in the AHL and definitely not at MSG. If he's playing for the Rangers organization, it'll only help his development
    The skill in the AHL isn't higher than the KHL. Other than Allaire, I don't see how the AHL is a better developmental league for goalies than the KHL or even the SHL, really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    The skill in the AHL isn't higher than the KHL. Other than Allaire, I don't see how the AHL is a better developmental league for goalies than the KHL or even the SHL, really.
    Except that every single angle is different and the shots come from closer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Except that every single angle is different and the shots come from closer?
    This would be true if guys only took shots from the boards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    This would be true if guys only took shots from the boards.
    I'm sorry but that's just naive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    I'm sorry but that's just naive.
    Some angles are different, but the idea that every shot is different is ridiculous.

    https://twitter.com/aj_ranger/status...69365137924096
    https://twitter.com/aj_ranger/status...66786956460037
    https://twitter.com/aj_ranger/status...09301511471108
    https://twitter.com/hcSKA/status/1078226820267499522
    https://twitter.com/eliteprospects/s...46772708814848
    https://twitter.com/Zak4B/status/1055863454672789505

    Which of these are from too far away or from an angle that doesn't exist in the AHL?

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    This kid is goooooooooooooooood
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    He's like a Richter/Hank hybrid

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    FWIW my brother is a goalie who moved from Europe to NA and he always says the angles felt really different and took a good couple of months getting used to.

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