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    Carp: McQuaid Drawing Interest from Toronto, Other Contenders

    McQuaid, who cost the Rangers a fourth-rounder when they got him from Boston in September, has drawn interest from Toronto, which still needs defensemen, and other contenders would love to add a guy with grit, experience and a Stanley Cup ring, especially one with a reputation as a good teammate. So the Rangers expect to recoup at least what they gave up for McQuaid, but likely would get a third (Nick Holden brought a third-rounder and a minor-leaguer from Boston last season).
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    Did they notice how he’s become a scoring machine?

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    I like McQuaid, he is a guy I wouldn't mind holding onto. He could be a good mentor for the young guys, and he has been pretty solid in his end. He said he likes it here in New York and would like to stay. Plus, he is good to have in a young locker room.

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    Depends on what you use to define "solid in his own end."

    If you go by possession metrics, he's the Rangers' worst defenseman. Babcock likes guys who play like McQuaid, so I'm not surprised they're interested, but McQuaid's not a good player in today's NHL.

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    He's tough too, and it may deter some teams from taking liberties with our young players...especially our newer good young players to be named at a later date!

    I like McQuaid too, and the whole team basically sucks defensively. No worries Future! They're all in the same boat there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    Depends on what you use to define "solid in his own end."

    If you go by possession metrics, he's the Rangers' worst defenseman. Babcock likes guys who play like McQuaid, so I'm not surprised they're interested, but McQuaid's not a good player in today's NHL.
    I disagree. He’s not a good defender by metrics standards. But that doesn’t mean he’s not a good defender. On a second or third pairing he’ll be very useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    He's tough too, and it may deter some teams from taking liberties with our young players...especially our newer good young players to be named at a later date!

    I like McQuaid too, and the whole team basically sucks defensively. No worries Future! They're all in the same boat there!
    Yeah, this isn't actually a thing. I enjoy rough-and-tumble hockey, too but the idea that enforcer-types (what few remain) actually deter anything is nonsense. What they can do is exact revenge, but their presence alone isn't stopping some would-be opponent from running Chytil through a wall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    Depends on what you use to define "solid in his own end."

    If you go by possession metrics, he's the Rangers' worst defenseman. Babcock likes guys who play like McQuaid, so I'm not surprised they're interested, but McQuaid's not a good player in today's NHL.
    Well, he also plays too many minutes in too high-profile a role on a historically bad shot share team. On a team like TOR, those numbers aren't likely to look as ugly as they do here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Well, he also plays too many minutes in too high-profile a role on a historically bad shot share team. On a team like TOR, those numbers aren't likely to look as ugly as they do here.
    I mean, Pionk doesn't get the benefit of the doubt there.

    Also, McQuaid is 7th among Rangers D in 5v5 TOI per game - only Smith and Lindgren are lower. He's not playing top minutes, he's basically in the role that he'd be in on any team.

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    Pionk's numbers are also artificially inflated (deflated?). He also makes glaring gaffes, which is why there's such a focus on him, and appears to be something of a coach's pet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Yeah, this isn't actually a thing. I enjoy rough-and-tumble hockey, too but the idea that enforcer-types (what few remain) actually deter anything is nonsense. What they can do is exact revenge, but their presence alone isn't stopping some would-be opponent from running Chytil through a wall.
    I don't know man...I suppose there's no way to actually prove this either way. All I know is that when a tough team comes to town, we can't match their toughness on the ice.

    I can't help it Phil, I'm partial to tough play and tougher players. I know everyone thinks the game has progressed past that and maybe it has. But the playoffs and the grind take their toll on players I believe, and when the chips are on the table I want an Adam Graves type or a Jeff Beukeboom type player who's not going to take any shit.

    If revenge is the tactic, so be it. In a 7 game series there's plenty of room to exact your imprint on an opposition. I know it's not the popular belief these days, but I'd rather see tough playoff hockey than a bunch of figure skaters licking their wounds in the locker room.

    Again, that's me, and when the Rangers were most successful, they played a tough brand of hockey...not all out brawls, and shit like that, but hard hitting and maybe take a poke at a player or two who needs it, sure why not?

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    All the more reason not to suggest it exists. I like tough play and tough players, too. But I long ago gave up on the idea that they are some kind of nuclear deterrent. The laundry list of players who've been hurt on the ice via dirty hits is evidence enough for me to abandon it. Especially when you consider how many of them played on teams with enforcers, sometimes with that enforcer dressed in that game, and sometimes even on the ice with said player at the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    All the more reason not to suggest it exists. I like tough play and tough players, too. But I long ago gave up on the idea that they are some kind of nuclear deterrent. The laundry list of players who've been hurt on the ice via dirty hits is evidence enough for me to abandon it. Especially when you consider how many of them played on teams with enforcers, sometimes with that enforcer dressed in that game, and sometimes even on the ice with said player at the same time.
    It's not even the fighting part that really does it for me though. I just don't see some of our players lasting very long in a 7 game series, or even being much of a factor after a Game 3. I just don't think that perimeter game is the way to win in the playoffs. Guys Kreider that go to the net and take a beating in front; Alright, granted that no one on the team shoots the damn thing in the first place, he's useless there...

    But....

    If we had a team that would get the puck to the net after maybe a pass or possibly 2...NOT 19!! Then a net front presence, with a couple of muckers and a sniper or 2 could work.

    It's really a moot point though, because this team is looking more and more like it's just a bunch of low 3rd and 4th liners on their way outta here in 2 or 3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    It's not even the fighting part that really does it for me though. I just don't see some of our players lasting very long in a 7 game series, or even being much of a factor after a Game 3. I just don't think that perimeter game is the way to win in the playoffs. Guys Kreider that go to the net and take a beating in front; Alright, granted that no one on the team shoots the damn thing in the first place, he's useless there...

    But....

    If we had a team that would get the puck to the net after maybe a pass or possibly 2...NOT 19!! Then a net front presence, with a couple of muckers and a sniper or 2 could work.

    It's really a moot point though, because this team is looking more and more like it's just a bunch of low 3rd and 4th liners on their way outta here in 2 or 3 years.
    Yea, Quinn hasn't built his team or gotten his players yet. If Quinn sticks around, the more competitive version of the Rangers will be getting a lot more pucks and bodies to the net.

    But the league is trending towards perimeter play. Like it or not, the fact that they are more quick to call slashing, interference, holding, etc. etc. enables and encourages more use of skill.

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    Who's the "tough" team pushing us around?

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    He may be gone in the next week or so, well before the deadline. There are various players of his ilk available, so you may not want to wait too long. Very good guy to have in the wings when your defense has become battered in the playoffs. If Brendan Smith was playing on Detroit's third unit when we gave up a 2d rounder for him as a rental, could McQuaid rate that kind of return? Obviously a 3rd rounder ala Holden is more likely. Definitely should bring more than a 4th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Who's the "tough" team pushing us around?
    Every other team not named the Rangers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Every other team not named the Rangers.
    No, you're gonna have to name some big tough successful teams who run us over physically if you want to keep talking about it.

    There is literally no proof of any of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    No, you're gonna have to name some big tough successful teams who run us over physically if you want to keep talking about it.

    There is literally no proof of any of it.
    Anaheim Ducks – Corey Perry
    Montreal Canadiens – Max Domi
    Boston Bruins – Zdeno Chara
    Vegas G Knights – Deryk Engelland
    Carolina Hurricanes – Justin Faulk
    Chicago Blackhawks – Jonathan Toews
    Vancouver Canucks – Antoine Roussel
    Edmonton Oilers – Milan Lucic
    Boston Bruins - Brad Marchand
    Los Angeles Kings – Kyle Clifford
    Los Angeles Kings – Dustin Brown
    Montreal Canadiens – Andrew Shaw
    New York Islanders – Matt Martin
    Philadelphia Flyers – Wayne Simmonds
    Washington Capitals – Tom Wilson
    Hell, even Ovechkin is a tough son of bitch...

    This is just off the top of my head....Is it ok to still talk about how tough we're not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Anaheim Ducks – Corey Perry
    Montreal Canadiens – Max Domi
    Boston Bruins – Zdeno Chara
    Vegas G Knights – Deryk Engelland
    Carolina Hurricanes – Justin Faulk
    Chicago Blackhawks – Jonathan Toews
    Vancouver Canucks – Antoine Roussel
    Edmonton Oilers – Milan Lucic
    Boston Bruins - Brad Marchand
    Los Angeles Kings – Kyle Clifford
    Los Angeles Kings – Dustin Brown
    Montreal Canadiens – Andrew Shaw
    New York Islanders – Matt Martin
    Philadelphia Flyers – Wayne Simmonds
    Washington Capitals – Tom Wilson
    Hell, even Ovechkin is a tough son of bitch...

    This is just off the top of my head....Is it ok to still talk about how tough we're not?
    This was a much more accurate list in 2014. Wilson is the only impact player on there who does what you're referring to who the Rangers actually play.

    Also, Justin Faulk is maybe the least physical player in the NHL and Corey Perry isn't playing....

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