Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 21 to 38 of 38

Thread: Carp: Rangers to Speed Up Rebuild Via Offer Sheet This Summer?

  1. #21
    Moderator Junior Division
    Future's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    Rochester, NY
    Posts
    7,515
    Rep Power
    160
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.wiskers View Post
    I think we have to look at a team that’s close to their cap and make the offersheet tight for them to match. Like Calgary & Mathew Tkachuk. They will have 13 mil. in cap next year and have to sign at least 7 players including Tkachuk and Mike Smith or some other goalie.

    Or simply just call a team and say hey we are gonna offersheet player x, we are gonna front load it so you won’t be able to match so why don’t we just work out a trade.


    Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
    I agree with the theory, but Calgary is going to have closer to $20m in space next year and Tkachuk is the only expensive player they have to re-sign.

    Toronto is really the only team with cap trouble and impact FAs.

  2. #22
    Senior Member Midget Division
    Slobberknocker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    2 feet south of the blueline
    Posts
    4,494
    Rep Power
    45
    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    I agree with the theory, but Calgary is going to have closer to $20m in space next year and Tkachuk is the only expensive player they have to re-sign.

    Toronto is really the only team with cap trouble and impact FAs.
    i think Toronto would move heaven and earth to keep matthews, though i love the idea of an offer sheet. a better scenario would be if he came out and said babcock's a toolbag who he doesn't want to work with long term to try to force the Leaf's hand.
    Acqua in bocca

  3. #23
    Moderator Junior Division
    Future's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    Rochester, NY
    Posts
    7,515
    Rep Power
    160
    Quote Originally Posted by Slobberknocker View Post
    i think Toronto would move heaven and earth to keep matthews, though i love the idea of an offer sheet. a better scenario would be if he came out and said babcock's a toolbag who he doesn't want to work with long term to try to force the Leaf's hand.
    I'd offer sheet Matthews at something like $13.5. TOR would have to decide if Matthews is worth 4 first-round picks plus Nylander and Kapanen (or whichever players get moved to make room).

    I can absolutely see Dubas getting cute there.

    As an aside, I feel like I've seen a 5x$11m contract kicked around for Matthews. That would be a serious discount.


  4. #24
    Senior Member Midget Division
    Slobberknocker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    2 feet south of the blueline
    Posts
    4,494
    Rep Power
    45
    u do it u figure you will overpay some as it almost turns into a poison pill. however if you believe revenues will grow it could be a fairly workable contract down the road to control an elite guy in his prime.
    Acqua in bocca

  5. #25
    Senior Member Bantam Division
    Flynn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Down South
    Posts
    1,697
    Rep Power
    35
    Well, scratch Matthews.. Apparently he's going to be off the market today or tomorrow

  6. #26
    Senior Member Midget Division
    Slobberknocker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    2 feet south of the blueline
    Posts
    4,494
    Rep Power
    45
    yup 11.5 per over 5 years... stupid
    Acqua in bocca

  7. #27
    Senior Member Midget Division
    4EverRangerFrank's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Posts
    2,567
    Rep Power
    49
    Offer sheet is not ‘gentlemanly’ so I’m not sure who wants to start this war knowing full well that what you do unto others will come back at you in the future. It’s not that these guys are such gentlemanly figures - it’s the fear of having your eyeballs plucked out later on!

    Resign yourself to a 2-3 year process and stock your base first — fill out a new and improved D-corps then the 2nd and 3rd lines (not a problem for us) and lastly, add the top-end talent you need as cream on top.

    Once you demonstrate that commitment to a solid re-build, top talent will want to join us.

    You only suffer in the ‘win’ column getting to that point as you hold $$$ until needed.

    Unless a quicker road to glory coalesces around a few young surprises it would be prudent to build a foundation and go up from there. Frig! We’ve waited this long for a Cup...another couple of years is easy at this point. (Not easy but you get my point.)

  8. #28
    Currently in the Quinn-Bin Bantam Division
    Ozzy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Location
    Suffolk County, NY
    Posts
    1,257
    Rep Power
    39
    Quote Originally Posted by 4EverRangerFrank View Post
    Offer sheet is not ‘gentlemanly’ so I’m not sure who wants to start this war knowing full well that what you do unto others will come back at you in the future. It’s not that these guys are such gentlemanly figures - it’s the fear of having your eyeballs plucked out later on!

    Resign yourself to a 2-3 year process and stock your base first — fill out a new and improved D-corps then the 2nd and 3rd lines (not a problem for us) and lastly, add the top-end talent you need as cream on top.

    Once you demonstrate that commitment to a solid re-build, top talent will want to join us.

    You only suffer in the ‘win’ column getting to that point as you hold $$$ until needed.

    Unless a quicker road to glory coalesces around a few young surprises it would be prudent to build a foundation and go up from there. Frig! We’ve waited this long for a Cup...another couple of years is easy at this point. (Not easy but you get my point.)
    Pretty much the ticket, big guy! ....unfortunately we have to have patience with this. There's really no short cut.

  9. #29
    Senior Member Pee-Wee Division
    Sod16's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2017
    Location
    Minneapolis
    Posts
    715
    Rep Power
    22
    This has never worked since Colorado's GM faxed the finger back when Neil Smith signed Joe Sakic to an offer sheet. I suspect that that episode, as much as his poor moves in dismantling the Cup winning team and then trying to rebuild, played a big role in the lack of NHL job offers that Smith got thereafter.

  10. #30
    Senior Member BSBH Prospect
    ThirtyONE's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    11,649
    Rep Power
    131
    Quote Originally Posted by Sod16 View Post
    This has never worked since Colorado's GM faxed the finger back when Neil Smith signed Joe Sakic to an offer sheet. I suspect that that episode, as much as his poor moves in dismantling the Cup winning team and then trying to rebuild, played a big role in the lack of NHL job offers that Smith got thereafter.
    Eh. Not quite. Joe sackic was essentially a Ranger. The Avs had to come up with something like 24m I’m signing bonuses. It was not an easy call for them. Hardly a middle finger to Smith. IMO a good attempt.
    GORTON 2020

  11. #31
    Senior Member Pee-Wee Division
    Sod16's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2017
    Location
    Minneapolis
    Posts
    715
    Rep Power
    22
    Eh. Yes quite. When the Avs were forced to match the Rangers' offer, their GM famously faxed to Smith a picture of Nelson Rockefeller giving the finger. Smith's big offer won him no friends around the league.

  12. #32
    Senior Member Midget Division
    Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    3,094
    Rep Power
    30
    I don't see the problem here. I understand the "gentleman rule", but this is a competition. If you have a shot at getting a superstar talent from another team, or in worst case make them pay that player more than they would like to, you do it.

    Offer Marner 7x12m. Either they match it (and have Tavares and Matthews pissed for not being payed the most) or we get our superstar. Easy.

  13. #33
    Senior Member Bantam Division
    Fatfrancesa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Posts
    1,525
    Rep Power
    35
    Four first round picks is way to high a price for a one dimensional no effort player like Laine. Even Marner. Getting either does little to move the needle for this team.

    So would chytil, Andersson, Kravtsov and miller for Marner sound like a good idea. Add in the fact that they are all on Elcs for some time while Marner gets $10m a year. I’m guessing this talk is about selling press not reality. If the rangers in the early stages of a rebuild trade 4 years of first round picks then they just need to fold due to ineptness

  14. #34
    Senior Member Midget Division
    Slobberknocker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    2 feet south of the blueline
    Posts
    4,494
    Rep Power
    45
    https://www.tsn.ca/marner-s-agent-qu...-off-1.1253030

    sounds like u can forget about marner
    Acqua in bocca

  15. #35
    Senior Member Bantam Division
    rmc51's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    1,945
    Rep Power
    74
    Quote Originally Posted by Slobberknocker View Post
    https://www.tsn.ca/marner-s-agent-qu...-off-1.1253030

    sounds like u can forget about marner
    Yeah not buying that retraction. That is most likely purely backing up so Marner and the Leafs don't have to deal with that as one of the top Cup favorites.

  16. #36
    HNIC BSBH Legend
    Pete's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    77,546
    Rep Power
    541
    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    Four first round picks is way to high a price for a one dimensional no effort player like Laine. Even Marner. Getting either does little to move the needle for this team.

    So would chytil, Andersson, Kravtsov and miller for Marner sound like a good idea. Add in the fact that they are all on Elcs for some time while Marner gets $10m a year. I’m guessing this talk is about selling press not reality. If the rangers in the early stages of a rebuild trade 4 years of first round picks then they just need to fold due to ineptness
    I'd trade 2 Chytil and 2 Anderson for 1 Marner and not look back.

    Especially because we already have the players.

  17. #37
    Senior Member Junior Division
    The Dude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    6,339
    Rep Power
    76
    Quote Originally Posted by phillyb™ View Post
    Wow, so I looked up signed offer sheets and Dustin Penner was the last signed offer sheet not to be matched in 2007. Prior to that, it hadn't happened since 1997, but it happened a bunch in the 90s.
    One thing I didn't know, Adam Graves signed an offer sheet with the Rangers from EDM in 1991 (5 years x 2.44m), which is insane when you look at this stats from those years (highlighted):



    Another absolutely mindboggling aspect of this deal is that the compensation to EDM was a guy named Troy Mallette. Now I don't know anything about this guy, but if you peep his stats, it looks like he's a fourth liner.
    Troy Mallette was bad ass. You ought to watch some early 90's Ranger games. This organization was grooming some pretty tough guys. Mallette, Domi, Vial,, DeBrusk and a few others really were some tough dudes that could kinda play.

  18. #38
    Banned Junior Division
    CCCP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Brooklyn
    Posts
    5,071
    Rep Power
    72
    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Troy Mallette was bad ass. You ought to watch some early 90's Ranger games. This organization was grooming some pretty tough guys. Mallette, Domi, Vial,, DeBrusk and a few others really were some tough dudes that could kinda play.
    Turcotte

Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •