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    Is Joe Biden the Democrats' Best Chance to Beat Trump in 2020?

    If liberals, independents and former Republicans agree on any one thing — and there are very few things about which anyone can seemingly agree these days — it is that finding a Democratic nominee who can beat Donald Trump in 2020 is of paramount importance.

    And, if we learned anything from 2016, that nominee will need to transcend party politics and appeal to moderate voters, swing voters and independent voters (like me) who no longer have a political affiliation after that dumpster fire of an election.

    That is why Joe Biden is arguably the party's best hope for 2020. As the most established, qualified, experienced, likable, popular and bipartisan Democrat exploring a bid for the presidency, his ability to relate to blue-collar Americans and his jovial demeanor make him the ideal candidate to go toe-to-toe with Donald Trump.

    When it comes to Biden’s likability, he soars among almost every demographic and is more favorable than Donald Trump (56 percent unfavorable and 40 percent favorable). However, Biden also sits atop all the potential 2020 candidates as the only candidate with a favorability over 50 percent, according to late December Quinnipiac polling.

    Biden has a track record of working across the aisle to get things done. Biden was the guy who negotiated the fiscal cliff deal with Senator Mitch McConnell as well as a major part of the 2010 deal that extended the Bush tax cuts, because he doesn’t view Republicans as enemies, he knows he needs to work with them in order to get things done. This is exactly the right tone that needs to be set on the campaign trail especially as Republican voters in general and Trump supporters in particular feel vilified by the media.
    The eventual Democratic nominee would also have to appeal to young voters, who have been the most disaffected by Trump’s presidency — and Biden polls best among voters under the age of 35 with a 60 percent favorability. It also doesn’t hurt that upon Biden’s return to the social platform Instagram late last summer, he drew over one million followers — and we all know social media is key to reaching young people in today’s campaign atmosphere.
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    As much as I'm drawn to the Betos and Abrams of the world, I can't help but agree with a lot of this — most of which is backed by strong polling data. My biggest concern with Biden is clearly age (he'd be 78 entering a would-be Presidency), but that could be an issue remedied by running him alongside a more youthful VP candidate. A Biden/Harris ticket, for example, would probably be a strong contender.

    Dave, I know you're a bit in the Biden camp this year. I'm curious what everyone else's thoughts are on this?
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    Yeah, definitely their best chance!














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    You're going to need to add more than that if you don't want these types of posts removed, Josh.
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    Yes, I think he is. I am sure Obama would endorse the hell out of him. We know how popular Obama is...and no, I don't think it is the same as when Obama endorsed Hillary Clinton.

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    Biden consumes all the moderates and destroys Trump in a general election.


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    I was hoping he ran last election instead of Clinton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    You're going to need to add more than that if you don't want these types of posts removed, Josh.
    He seems to represent the old regime. That’s the same group that lost voters to Trump. Biden doesn’t bring anything new that will get people to turn out like they did for Barry, or to flip. I’m not saying you need an extremist, but need something that inspires new “hope” and “change”. Biden won’t get the millennial votes or the minority vote in mass numbers that they’ll need to take the election. Those championing Biden here are wealthier white Americans with stable families.
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    I share Josh's cautions. I think the VP pairing is key to filling in the holes, whether it be Corey Booker, Harris, or even Beto. My biggest fear, though, stems from the fact that even in youth at the height of his intellectual powers, Biden was prone to say ill-considered and nonsensical things. I don't know where his clarity is at right now, but I fear that there may just be too many opportunities to make him look doddering and not quite all there . At the moment, I lean toward a strong younger person like Amy Klobuchar (former prosecutor) who is tough enough to handle Trump on a debate stage and is less likely to devolve into a geezer fistfight. But we don't even know who is in, yet. All we know is that it may take several double-decker buses to get the Democratic field to the debate site.

    Would I work for him and vote for him? Absolutely.

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    I initially laughed when I saw that South Bend Indiana mayor Pete Buttigieg was running but the more I look into him, the better he seems to be. I'm not throwing my support he was yet and we don't really know that much about him yet, but he'd be the first openly gay president, a veteran and a democrat that can help take the midwest. Might be too early for him though. Maybe he's announcing he's running so that he can be seen as more viable in future elections though. who knows?
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    The Democrats will win on Demographics alone, policy/message won't/don't matter. They promise more free stuff and the people your country imports want free stuff.

    If it doesn't happen in 2020 it will happen in 2024 and it will remain that way for imperpituity.

    In a multicultural society, democracy is just a racial headcount. Don't believe me, just go look at the #'s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    The Democrats will win on Demographics alone, policy/message won't/don't matter. They promise more free stuff and the people your country imports want free stuff.

    If it doesn't happen in 2020 it will happen in 2024 and it will remain that way for imperpituity.

    In a multicultural society, democracy is just a racial headcount. Don't believe me, just go look at the #'s.
    Crazily simplistic. Woefully inaccurate. I like it!

    Thank God gender, rural-urban, education, age, religion, and about 10 other key splits don't figure into it. About 37% of whites are Dems, myself included. Almost 30% of Hispanic Catholics are or lean GOP. How do we fit into your master theory?

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    You just spelled it out. Those are your best outliers. Almost 30%!

    Whoop de do.

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    Woefully inaccurate indeed
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    I kept hoping that he was going to throw his name in the ring last time around. I think he's a fucking rock star but I think the right so strongly opposes Obama that Biden might actually have the adverse effect and push people toward Trump who may have drifted away. That's not based on any polls or anything, but just a feeling. It seems to me that the best solution is a completely new field.

    My real concern is Bernie Sanders. There's a possibility his campaign divides the left more and galvanizes it. I had a real issue with his supporters last time around, many who I know, who were short sighted enough to try to tank her campaign with negative propaganda after Bernie was out of the race.
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    Is Joe Biden the Democrats' Best Chance to Beat Trump in 2020?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vodka Drunkenski View Post
    Welcome in socialism if Bernie gets the nod...pass
    He's not going to get the nod, that's what I mean. But he's going to have a vocal minority of the left that make shit difficult for everyone else when this campaign should just be everyone on the same team.
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    The only reason Bernie supporters turned on Clinton is because they knew (and was proven later) that the DNC rigged for Hilary.

    Bernie was polling more positively that either Trump or Hilary. He'd have easily beaten Trump in a general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    You just spelled it out. Those are your best outliers. Almost 30%!

    Whoop de do.

    I'll take my monarchy back, now. Democracy is a tire fire.



    Woefully inaccurate indeed
    You also forgot gerrymandering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    The only reason Bernie supporters turned on Clinton is because they knew (and was proven later) that the DNC rigged for Hilary.

    Bernie was polling more positively that either Trump or Hilary. He'd have easily beaten Trump in a general.
    Yes, thank you.

    It's like people just forgot that the game was completely exposed because it's convenient to forget.

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    You just spelled it out. 60% doesn't constitute a "racial headcount." Nor does it account for a 52-36% gender split across race, a 51-35% split of millennials across race, or for why 40% of Americans now label themselves as Independents (all 2015, so subject to change in my direction.) You're just spitballin' on a lazy Saturday. I'll stick with simplistic and inaccurate.

    When whites are still about 70% of the vote, that actually matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    You also forgot gerrymandering.
    They'd have to take gerrymandering to some kind of transcendent art form by 2036.

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