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    Quote Originally Posted by Giacomin View Post
    I hope they don't feel forced to trade Hayes and instead take the approach that they can trade him down the road, if they choose. Similar to Nylander. Just keep his NTC to a limit of 8-10 teams he can reject.
    Hayes won't be that easy to move if they pay him what he could feasibly get on the market as an UFA.
    As opposed to Nylander, whose 6.9 isn't scaring anyone if Dubas decides to move him.

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    If they like Hayes enough to sign him long term, the only reason I'd think they'd want to move him is if he's trash... Then he becomes hard to move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesy View Post
    Hayes won't be that easy to move if they pay him what he could feasibly get on the market as an UFA.
    As opposed to Nylander, whose 6.9 isn't scaring anyone if Dubas decides to move him.
    Nylander at 6x$6.9 is way more scary to me than Hayes at 5x$6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    Nylander at 6x$6.9 is way more scary to me than Hayes at 5x$6
    Huh? What exactly has Hayes proven? How has he earned 5m let alone 6?

    At least Nylander, at 22 mind you, has put up back to back 60 point seasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    Nylander at 6x$6.9 is way more scary to me than Hayes at 5x$6
    It might scare you but it won’t scare a GM trading for him.
    He’ll put up big numbers playing for that team. 6.9 for him in a year or two won’t be prohibitive at all imo.
    Hayes at 6+ probably will for quite a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    Huh? What exactly has Hayes proven? How has he earned 5m let alone 6?

    At least Nylander, at 22 mind you, has put up back to back 60 point seasons.
    Hayes is one of the better 5v5, two-way centers in the entire league, and plays a two-way game. He scored 25 goals last year. Find me 5 guys in the league who aren't on their ELC who do that and make less than $6m.

    What he does playing on Auston Matthews wing isn't representative of what he'd do playing on Mika Zibanejad...or Kevin Hayes...wing.

    Hockey fans have a horrible habit at looking in production in one situation and just assuming that it would translate to another. What if Nylander struggles to score 60 in NY because - SHOCKER - the Rangers have exactly 1 player who can shoot the puck. *Gasp
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesy View Post
    It might scare you but it won’t scare a GM trading for him.
    He’ll put up big numbers playing for that team. 6.9 for him in a year or two won’t be prohibitive at all imo.
    Hayes at 6+ probably will for quite a few.
    Hayes isn't going to deteriorate at 30, because he doesn't depend on athleticism.

    He might be the worst athlete in the entire NHL lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    Nylander at 6x$6.9 is way more scary to me than Hayes at 5x$6
    Iíd think the opposite.
    I donít place those two in the same category

    With Nylander being 4 years younger, i feel he has more ceiling to his game we havenít seen yet.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    I'd say it's the other way around. If they plan on pursuing one of those guys, they'd want to keep Hayes. It's not like Hayes' contract prohibits them from doing anything.

    And, like them or not, none of Chytil, Lias, or Howden have shown any capacity at all to play as a top-6 center. Signing a guy means the rebuild is effectively over, and if that's the case, you don't pair him with Chytil and just hope it works.

    You've also got the other side of thinking why would a player want to sign as a UFA on a rebuilder? Losing Hayes and signing Panarin doesn't make you any better positioned to compete in the playoffs and any UFA would be wary of that. Some might not care, but I think most do.
    But did you see that in Hayes when he Was19 to 22 years old

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    Hayes is one of the better 5v5, two-way centers in the entire league, and plays a two-way game. He scored 25 goals last year. Find me 5 guys in the league who aren't on their ELC who do that and make less than $6m.

    What he does playing on Auston Matthews wing isn't representative of what he'd do playing on Mika Zibanejad...or Kevin Hayes...wing.

    Hockey fans have a horrible habit at looking in production in one situation and just assuming that it would translate to another. What if Nylander struggles to score 60 in NY because - SHOCKER - the Rangers have exactly 1 player who can shoot the puck. *Gasp
    Agreed. Nylander minus Matthews is what? Nylander being 22 guarantees nothing.

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    We need some serious scoring wingers if you think Zibanejad-Hayes-Howden down the center is going to be good enough. I’m still skeptical
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    There's some gold in this thread. I hope our GM is not nearly as high on Kevin Hayes as some of the things I'm reading here

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    Kevin Hayes is More to Rangers Than a Potential Trade Chip

    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    Agreed. Nylander minus Matthews is what? Nylander being 22 guarantees nothing.
    Nylander is a very skilled player. There is a reason he was selected 8 overall.
    He was MVP at the world u18, and lead his team to gold and tourney MVP at the world juniors.
    He averaged over a point per game in the AHL as a teen. All is this with no Matthews.

    He had 61 points as a 20 year old, he hasnít even come close to his statistical or playing peak yet.

    Heís a first line player, Hayes is complimentary at best and is already at his peak.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Puck Head View Post
    Nylander is a very skilled player. There is a reason he was selected 8 overall.
    He was MVP at the world u18, and lead his team to gold and tourney MVP at the world juniors.
    He averaged over a point per game in the AHL as a teen. All is this with no Matthews.

    He had 61 points as a 20 year old, he hasnít even come close to his statistical or playing peak yet.

    Heís a first line player, Hayes is complimentary at best and is already at his peak.



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    And Hayes has 5 goals through 28 games. His ATOI is at 19 minutes and Zib is covering the defensive line pairings. If this is how he looks playing for a contract, how bad will it be when he has one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBrowningPI View Post
    And Hayes has 5 goals through 28 games. His ATOI is at 19 minutes and Zib is covering the defensive line pairings. If this is how he looks playing for a contract, how bad will it be when he has one?

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    And the fact statistically we are seeing the Peak of Hayes in regards to age. We can assume he matures some, perhaps better leader and perhaps defensively next few years. But points wise not many players improve after age 27


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    Quote Originally Posted by CBrowningPI View Post
    And Hayes has 5 goals through 28 games. His ATOI is at 19 minutes and Zib is covering the defensive line pairings. If this is how he looks playing for a contract, how bad will it be when he has one?

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    Everyone, or almost everyone, could see that 25 goals was an anomaly on a career that has been lackluster offensively. That's why he got a 1 year deal from the Rangers instead of a 6-8 year deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBrowningPI View Post
    And Hayes has 5 goals through 28 games. His ATOI is at 19 minutes and Zib is covering the defensive line pairings. If this is how he looks playing for a contract, how bad will it be when he has one?

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    Future posted stats the other day, Hayes is near PPG since Zibanejad has been given the defensive assignment against the top lines
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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    Future posted stats the other day, Hayes is near PPG since Zibanejad has been given the defensive assignment against the top lines
    So then Hayes isn't a defensive 200ft player....

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    Not sure where that’s coming from. ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    Future posted stats the other day, Hayes is near PPG since Zibanejad has been given the defensive assignment against the top lines
    Hayes is .61 PPG. I can't see how that's considered near.

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