Kevin Hayes is More to Rangers Than a Potential Trade Chip

[josh]

Hayes is .61 PPG. I can't see how that's considered near.

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Because you didn’t see that I was referring to a span of games.

[CBrowningPI]

Because you didn’t see that I was referring to a span of games.

Ok. Sorry.

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[josh]

I’m on the record saying I don’t want to pay Hayes that much. I like him, but shiiiiitt.

My criticism of Zibanejad was his lack of ES production and lazy/abandoning his defensive game. Quinn has him focusing on defense and he’s producing more at ES than in the past. He’s near a ppg this season even when he’s not scoring on the PP. he’s a great #2c. In that case, you don’t waste money on Hayes.

[Pete]

Zib...PPG as ES is a great #2?

And he's a #2 because he only got PPP...

LOL Ok.

[josh]

Close to Ppg overall. Not at Es

Last I looked, he was 28th in league among Cs in points. You’re not going anywhere if that’s your 1C

[Pete]

They're not going anywhere but it's not because of who the #1 C is.

It's also because there's no #1D or first line wingers.

You look at everything in a silo.

[josh]

We have a dman producing like a 1D and a guy producing like a 40-goal winger.

And he’s still producing like a 2C

[Pete]

LOL OK.

[Long live the King]

We have a dman producing like a 1D and a guy producing like a 40-goal winger.

And he’s still producing like a 2C

He's playing with Jesper Fast.

Panarin - Zibanejad - Kravtsov is a #1 line all day.

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[josh]

He's playing with Jesper Fast.

Panarin - Zibanejad - Kravtsov is a #1 line all day.

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He’s producing more with Fast and Namestnikov thahnhe did with our top wingers. He’s playing the perfect 2C. He struggled in the 1C last season. Why would you change that? Leave him there, spend the Hayes money on upgrades to strengthen the entire team.

Panarin Kravtsov can be a #1 line with Holland in the middle, but Holland isn’t making a 2nd line with his play.

[Pete]

Our top wingers are second liners, dude!

[josh]

Not when they are playing with Hayes!

Zing!

[Pete]

Yea because they're playing against 3rd liners.

Love the alternative facts, Kelly Anne.

[josh]

Work holiday party tonight, Pete?

[ThirtyONE]

I'm not on the Zibanejad #1C train either.

Zibanejad is currently ranked 25th among centers in scoring. A while I guess that's top 31 and technically a "1st line center" it's not a good one. Hayes is ranked 58th; which, again, is technically top 62 but... it's not good.

Neither Zibanejad nor Hayes have shown signs of being "the guy" and Hayes even less so. It just goes back to the original point that's been made over and over: The Rangers just don't have good players. Whether they're "technically" a 1C or a 2C it doesn't matter because neither are good enough. Can Zibanejad be a 1C with Panarin and another stud winger? Maybe. But those are two HUGE what-ifs.

[Long live the King]

I'm not on the Zibanejad #1C train either.

Zibanejad is currently ranked 25th among centers in scoring. A while I guess that's top 31 and technically a "1st line center" it's not a good one. Hayes is ranked 58th; which, again, is technically top 62 but... it's not good.

Neither Zibanejad nor Hayes have shown signs of being "the guy" and Hayes even less so. It just goes back to the original point that's been made over and over: The Rangers just don't have good players. Whether they're "technically" a 1C or a 2C it doesn't matter because neither are good enough. Can Zibanejad be a 1C with Panarin and another stud winger? Maybe. But those are two HUGE what-ifs.

How many of the 24 centers ahead of him have worse wingers than Fast and Namestnikov?

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[ThirtyONE]

How many of the 24 centers ahead of him have worse wingers than Fast and Namestnikov?

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That's fine. And maybe you're right. But that's a what-if. For instance, if Sidney Crosby was playing with Fast and Names, they'd have double the points they currently have. Obviously that's an extreme example but my point is, Zibanejad doesn't help his shitty teammates get any better. His career high in points is 51.

I mean... Is that what a cup contender has on their top line? 51 points?

That's second line on a STRONG team. I'm not just picking on Zibanejad. I'm picking on everyone. The team stinks. The talent level is low. No one is excluded.

[josh]

How many of the 24 centers ahead of him have worse wingers than Fast and Namestnikov?

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We’ve seen him produce less with the more talented wingers.

If a guy is producing more with less, why change that?
Put Chytil with Panarin and Kravtsov, then, his production doubles while Zibanejad is still producing on the 2nd line. Maximize the production of all the players.

Or, you get a Panarin and save the Hayes money for an upgrade on Zibanejad’s wing.

All I’m saying is Zibanejad has been producing with less. If you are trying to convince me he’s a 1C, then we definitely need to pay Hayes to keep him as our 2C. I’d much rather use 6m+ for elite/scoring wingers. And Zibanejad’s progress has allowed them to do that.

[Long live the King]

That's fine. And maybe you're right. But that's a what-if. For instance, if Sidney Crosby was playing with Fast and Names, they'd have double the points they currently have. Obviously that's an extreme example but my point is, Zibanejad doesn't help his shitty teammates get any better. His career high in points is 51.

I mean... Is that what a cup contender has on their top line? 51 points?

That's second line on a STRONG team. I'm not just picking on Zibanejad. I'm picking on everyone. The team stinks. The talent level is low. No one is excluded.

Crosby has a whopping 4 more points than Zibanejad, so I doubt Fast would have twice the points.

His career high is 51 points due to injuries not lack of skill.

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[Long live the King]

We’ve seen him produce less with the more talented wingers.

If a guy is producing more with less, why change that?
Put Chytil with Panarin and Kravtsov, then, his production doubles while Zibanejad is still producing on the 2nd line. Maximize the production of all the players.

Or, you get a Panarin and save the Hayes money for an upgrade on Zibanejad’s wing.

All I’m saying is Zibanejad has been producing with less. If you are trying to convince me he’s a 1C, then we definitely need to pay Hayes to keep him as our 2C. I’d much rather use 6m+ for elite/scoring wingers. And Zibanejad’s progress has allowed them to do that.

I've seen him produce great with Kreider, he just battled injuries the last two years.

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