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    Perhaps, but that only makes me jealous.

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    Because you wish to live in a crumbling democratic republic flirting with autocracy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Because you wish to live in a crumbling democratic republic flirting with autocracy?
    Exactly what the socialist Dems are gunning for

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    That's not what I mean, and you know it. You deal with the byproduct of Trump's policy. We deal with everything else. His daily tweet storms designed to demoralize, his LIFETIME Supreme Court appointments, his sycophantic GOP yes men pushing archaic tax cuts and culturally ignorant policy attempts, his erosion of trust in the free press, his nepotism, etc. This is shit that, on a day-to-day basis, chips away at our faith in democracy as a nation.

    "The market's up, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" is a pretty shitty outlook on a guy under FBI investigation, who has already violated the emoluments clause, still hasn't released his tax returns, and who just tipped the Supreme Court to a right wing (read: not conservative) majority despite the majority of the country agreeing with left-of-center policy ideas.

    When I say you are miles outside his reach, I mean it. You. Don't. Feel. This.
    Using the stock market as an assessment of the economy is kind of like using your CEOs pay to proxy the strength of a company. GDP, GNP, per capita spending, average wages, employment rates, and so much more go into the reality of an economy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NY Chief View Post
    Exactly what the socialist Dems are gunning for
    I know, right? Can you believe that military parade that Ocasio-Cortez is demanding while she rejects the determinations of the US Intelligence while believing the word of despots on their word?
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    Quote Originally Posted by G1000 View Post
    Using the stock market as an assessment of the economy is kind of like using your CEOs pay to proxy the strength of a company. GDP, GNP, per capita spending, average wages, employment rates, and so much more go into the reality of an economy.
    Correct. I'm no economics guy, but have any of them actually risen? I know wages haven't (by much, if at all). I suppose employment rates might have given unemployment is down, but that could be a false correlation on my part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    I know, right? Can you believe that military parade that Ocasio-Cortez is demanding while she rejects the determinations of the US Intelligence while believing the word of despots on their word?
    As opposed to her Pollyanna pie in the sky utopia she has zero plans for actually achieving other than just "paying for it"? How much of her $174,000 is she going to donate to worthy causes? She surely doesn't need all of it to pay for her apartment in DC... and how much you wanna bet she's a millionaire before her term is over? Real socialist ideals....

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    Yeah, forgive me — how does this relate to autocracy, exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NY Chief View Post
    Exactly what the socialist Dems are gunning for
    Amazing that you're more scared of socialism than dictatorships, totalitarianism, nationalism, treason, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    No, not really, my entire life is dependent on the US in one way or another. I work for a US company, for example. I have my life savings heavily invested in US market as another.

    Beyond that, he hasn't really done anything harmful besides trigger a bunch of children that can't handle losing.
    Kind of like how you whine about Trudeau? Are you sensitive or just a child that can't handle losing?

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    Yes, sure.

    Of course, I don't get to vote for or against Trudeau, so my gripe is probably more legitimate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Amazing that you're more scared of socialism than dictatorships, totalitarianism, nationalism, treason, etc.
    Nope. Words in my mouth, reading (trying) my mind again. They ALL suck.

    Warts and all Capitalism built the greatest, most prosperous country to date. I'll stick with that. We wouldn't be arguing about it right now under any other "ism"

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY Chief View Post
    Exactly what the socialist Dems are gunning for
    We ARE living in a crumbling democratic republic flirting with autocracy. That is our current reality, not some ridiculous left wing pipedream. Representation is determined by politically packed and cracked districts, and not by the will of the people. We use antiquated checks and balances in the electoral process that frankly afford too much power to too few people, and those few are doing everything possible within and without their power to both maintain and expand their control - and attempt to shut down, alter, or corrupt those checks and balances to work in their favor. If Trump loses in 2020, he'll start crying about it three days before the election, scream fraud as returns come in, and try like hell to stay in office...because that's basically what he did last week. That's NOT democracy - that's dictatorship. That Trump literally puts the dick in dictator is really icing on the cake.

    My bigger concern here, though, is your perception of democratic socialism. You've got a good group of Dems right here on this board with relatively democratic socialist tendencies whom I'm sure you both enjoy your discussions with and do not think are gunning for some sort of dystopia. I think you may be conflating democratic socialism and communism - and yes, that's an issue worth clarifying.

    Let's start here: socialism is not a political ideology. It's an economic paradigm in which folks get returns on their investments commensurate with their contributions. Communism is the combination of an extreme version of socialism with a totalitarian centralized government that controls every element of the economy. It's never been fully actualized, and attempts to actualize a full Marxist communist government have largely led to military oligarchies and general misery. Communism is inherently a bad idea almost exclusively because humans are incapable of altruism. Democratic Socialism, however, is both realistic and a common marker of the happiest, most affluent nations in the world.

    As an example of a democratic socialist paradigm:

    Are you making good money? Awesome - get yourself kickass private insurance and a mansion. That's good for you! Invest in what you want. You're still going to pay into the basics as taxes, but you'll not really need to think about some of the luxury expenses you do now (private schools, private transportation, etc) because they're of a good enough quality for you to feel good sending your kids or using them.

    Are you making an average or below average amount of money? Hey, that's cool too - just know that if you get sick, hurt, or fall on hard times, you can't fall so hard that the choice between a roof over your head or the cost of getting better is ever actually a thing.

    Unemployed? There's always something needs doing - you can work for your basics so long as you keep the job hunt up.

    Think about it this way: right now, the government routinely enacts policy to ostensibly redistribute wealth - largely to private individuals, military spends, and private corporations. You get very little for your tax investment; in fact, so little that most municipalities need state taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, tolls, and so on. Democratic Socialism basically says "nah, fuck that. I'm paying you for services and I expect those services delivered at an acceptable level. Send that tax money back to me."

    I don't really care if you think that's a good idea or not - the beauty of democracy is the ability to freely debate ideas. That said, it's important to understand what you're positioned against. Nobody's arguing for the USA to look like Eastern Europe circa 1981.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Correct. I'm no economics guy, but have any of them actually risen? I know wages haven't (by much, if at all). I suppose employment rates might have given unemployment is down, but that could be a false correlation on my part.
    Hard to say. 2018 numbers won't be in for a bit and the holidays tend to be a good indicator. Unemployment has gone down for sure, but the question behind the employment question is whether that's the gig economy at work or full jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Amazing that you're more scared of socialism than dictatorships, totalitarianism, nationalism, treason, etc.
    I don't understand why more people aren't terrified of the nationalism we're seeing re-emerge all over the world. As humans, we've walked this path before and we know damn well where it leads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G1000 View Post
    I don't understand why more people aren't terrified of the nationalism we're seeing re-emerge all over the world. As humans, we've walked this path before and we know damn well where it leads.
    It's a reaction to the socialist/PC movement. Pushed the pendulum too far, now its swinging back.

    Although I dont see nationalism as negative, or something to fear. If you do, you are getting duped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    It's a reaction to the socialist/PC movement. Pushed the pendulum too far, now its swinging back.

    Although I dont see nationalism as negative, or something to fear. If you do, you are getting duped.
    Define nationalism as you see it, please? I'm not being a jerk - I simply think that you might be viewing it more through a lens of what I'd call patriotism, and I think there are very meaningful differences between the two.
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    see - that's the issue, you've turned Nationalism into a bad word. In a short time, patriotism will have a negative connotation.

    google "Is nationalism a bad word", and you wont find anything before 2015
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    some idiot with a twitter account equated nationalism to white nationalism. now everyone thinks nationalism is the same as Nazism. thanks social media

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY Chief View Post
    Nope. Words in my mouth, reading (trying) my mind again. They ALL suck.

    Warts and all Capitalism built the greatest, most prosperous country to date. I'll stick with that. We wouldn't be arguing about it right now under any other "ism"
    Well you're clearly scared of one more than the other.

    Here's the thing, we know what you put out in the world. So if someone thinks they know something about ya, it's because that's what you're putting out there. You can't post solely against one side and then say "DON'T TRY TO READ MY MIND". It's pretty transparent.

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