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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    Me too, but chances are slim and none.

    We don't have anything that would upgrade their defense and, unless for some reason they wanted, like Hayes AND Kreider, I don't think they'd have much interest in our forwards. Their forward depth is shit though...maybe Hayes, Kreider, Chytil and another pick gets the conversation started, but I doubt it.
    I dont know their needs, other than a C.
    Hayes/Zibanejad + Zucc? Skjei? McQuaid? ADA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    Fwiw, I'd be really pushing those fringe Western teams - Colorado, ANA, CGY - right now to try to pry out a first. All of them could end up free falling.

    I get that's why they'd be apprehensive, but that's a potential big win for the Rangers.
    I dont see those teams giving up a 1st for Zuccarello right now.
    Maybe Hayes...

    I think we should trade Zucc sooner than later. A lot of UFA RWs this season... and he's not at the top of the list. But, I don't anticipate getting a 1st for Zucc, regardless. I think they tried last year and couldnt get one.

    I think a C, like Hayes, will increase in value closer to the deadline, getting a good prospect, or a 1st +
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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    I dont know their needs, other than a C.
    Hayes/Zibanejad + Zucc? Skjei? McQuaid? ADA?
    Colorado needs scoring depth - Hayes and Kreider would be their second line, I think. Skjei and McQuaid don't make them better on the blueline - though I guess it's possible they like Skjei.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    Colorado needs scoring depth - Hayes and Kreider would be their second line, I think. Skjei and McQuaid don't make them better on the blueline - though I guess it's possible they like Skjei.
    Yeah, they're extremely top heavy. Hayes, Kreider, Zib and Zucc would all be useful additions for them. The Senators have looked better than expected, but barring a miracle their 1st would be likely to cost a small fortune. I really don't know what we'd have to give up to get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    Colorado needs scoring depth - Hayes and Kreider would be their second line, I think. Skjei and McQuaid don't make them better on the blueline - though I guess it's possible they like Skjei.
    They definitely need forward depth. Kerfoot plays second line C with Jost out. They also have atrocious wing depth. Anything the Rangers can offer up front is an automatic upgrade on anyone not on Colorado's first line.

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    I guess brooks should write articles based upon an alternative reality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc View Post
    Thought you was talking about me first lol.

    But I agree, he don't seem onboard with this whatsoever. He just says the oposite of what Quinn's saying all the time. This is hard, but............... zuc needs to be traded. At first I thought he could be a good "role model", kinda like what Hank says he's planning to do, but he just seems so off. Both on and off the ice, not committed at all. Trade him somewhere and bring the Stanley cup to Norway for the first time!

    Edit: Hayes, Names, Spooner and some of the older D's should also be traded.
    Edit 2: We could actually end up with 4 first rounders (maybe ask some teams for 2020 1st?). Our own, Hayes should fetch an 1st, Zuc the same and some package of other players could do that aswell. Throw in the potential Tampa 1st if they win the cup and this upcoming draft will be fuun.
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    Another wrinkle in all this is that the NHL is STRONGLY considering the addition of another team in Seattle. Doesn't this throw a monkey wrench into everyone's planning yet again? I mean with the protected player list v. unprotected list...I could see how 'expansion' influences early trades, later trades, etc.

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    I think I'm on record as saying I think Hayes is gone by Thanksgiving. Hopefully I'm wrong and it's sooner. I don't think they can get a 1st for him though. Likely an alright package of prospects and a 2nd. Or maybe they can get someone to take Staal with him while taking back garbage.

    I could see Colorado maybe having interest in Namestnikov or Spooner as they can both play center or wing. I'd think they would want some versatility to mix and match moves going forward.

    Zuc is the question though. What's he worth? Is his play taking a big hit on his already questionable value? What do you sell him as? He's not really noticable out there, but he's producing. Are teams looking for set up men from the wing? Is there a team with scoring potential that is floundering (besides the Rangers)?

    And do you sell McQuaid now? He's probably the guy you keep till the deadline as his value should rise. But what if he gets injured? And, sadly, I think he stinks and I can't wait to see him go. I was expecting a bit more umph from him. He's very vanilla and isn't playing with any physical edge as I expected.

    I think they get the most for Kreider or Vesey at this point. Vesey having that good start hopefully got teams interested. Sell high. Kreider looks disinterested and sullen. Kinda concerned that maybe he's the type of guy that may retire early. Maybe he's not into hockey anymore after his health issues last season. I just pulled that out of my ass and I don't know anything about how he feels. Just going by looks and his play.

    This team needs help on the wing. Fast ain't cutting it. Vesey is likely going to fall back. Spooner is looking kinda lame. Namestnikov stinks. Hopefully they can get some wingers with some fire and energy. Young or mid prime. Or even a project player.

    I wish they signed an energy player like Roussel instead of bringing back Mcleod. They need someone to set some kind of physical pace. I thought Kreider would lead the charge, but he hasn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4EverRangerFrank View Post
    Another wrinkle in all this is that the NHL is STRONGLY considering the addition of another team in Seattle. Doesn't this throw a monkey wrench into everyone's planning yet again? I mean with the protected player list v. unprotected list...I could see how 'expansion' influences early trades, later trades, etc.
    I think its early for that. It's still 2 or 3 years away at the earliest. We're looking to trade a bunch of guys that will be free agents by then. Also have they said if the expansion draft process would be the same as Vegas? Or can the rules be different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4EverRangerFrank View Post
    Another wrinkle in all this is that the NHL is STRONGLY considering the addition of another team in Seattle. Doesn't this throw a monkey wrench into everyone's planning yet again? I mean with the protected player list v. unprotected list...I could see how 'expansion' influences early trades, later trades, etc.
    They can pick between McLeod, Letteiri and Staal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    I think its early for that. It's still 2 or 3 years away at the earliest. We're looking to trade a bunch of guys that will be free agents by then. Also have they said if the expansion draft process would be the same as Vegas? Or can the rules be different.
    I don't think they've decided. Based on the initial success of Vegas, I'd bet it would be very similar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    I think its early for that. It's still 2 or 3 years away at the earliest. We're looking to trade a bunch of guys that will be free agents by then. Also have they said if the expansion draft process would be the same as Vegas? Or can the rules be different.
    Same expansion draft rules. Bettman was quoted saying that in an article in The Athletic. I'll see if I can dig that up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesy View Post
    Same expansion draft rules. Bettman was quoted saying that in an article in The Athletic. I'll see if I can dig that up.
    Yea, I read that too.

    I kind of think teams will be given a compliance buyout this time around, or something similar. The goal for Seattle to play is 20-21, that's twice in 4 years that teams could get hammered by that, and when contracts were signed in 2014, 2015, 2016, organizations couldn't have predicted that they'd have to deal with expansion, and these rules, twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    Yea, I read that too.

    I kind of think teams will be given a compliance buyout this time around, or something similar. The goal for Seattle to play is 20-21, that's twice in 4 years that teams could get hammered by that, and when contracts were signed in 2014, 2015, 2016, organizations couldn't have predicted that they'd have to deal with expansion, and these rules, twice.
    Isn't the whole point to expose a high-salaried, under performing player? Why would teams need a compliance buyout when they're losing a contract and not taking anything back...?

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    In Quinns presser after the L.A. game, he was really pissed that Martinez skated right past the blue line. Nobody got in his lane or used their body to stop him. I looked back at that goal and it was Kreider who was stationary on the line and all he did was make a lame stick check that did nothing. So I could be wrong but Quinn seemed like he was directing his anger at Kreiders lack of effort on that play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    I think I'm on record as saying I think Hayes is gone by Thanksgiving. Hopefully I'm wrong and it's sooner. I don't think they can get a 1st for him though. Likely an alright package of prospects and a 2nd. Or maybe they can get someone to take Staal with him while taking back garbage.

    I could see Colorado maybe having interest in Namestnikov or Spooner as they can both play center or wing. I'd think they would want some versatility to mix and match moves going forward.

    Zuc is the question though. What's he worth? Is his play taking a big hit on his already questionable value? What do you sell him as? He's not really noticable out there, but he's producing. Are teams looking for set up men from the wing? Is there a team with scoring potential that is floundering (besides the Rangers)?

    And do you sell McQuaid now? He's probably the guy you keep till the deadline as his value should rise. But what if he gets injured? And, sadly, I think he stinks and I can't wait to see him go. I was expecting a bit more umph from him. He's very vanilla and isn't playing with any physical edge as I expected.

    I think they get the most for Kreider or Vesey at this point. Vesey having that good start hopefully got teams interested. Sell high. Kreider looks disinterested and sullen. Kinda concerned that maybe he's the type of guy that may retire early. Maybe he's not into hockey anymore after his health issues last season. I just pulled that out of my ass and I don't know anything about how he feels. Just going by looks and his play.

    This team needs help on the wing. Fast ain't cutting it. Vesey is likely going to fall back. Spooner is looking kinda lame. Namestnikov stinks. Hopefully they can get some wingers with some fire and energy. Young or mid prime. Or even a project player.

    I wish they signed an energy player like Roussel instead of bringing back Mcleod. They need someone to set some kind of physical pace. I thought Kreider would lead the charge, but he hasn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CBrowningPI View Post
    In Quinns presser after the L.A. game, he was really pissed that Martinez skated right past the blue line. Nobody got in his lane or used their body to stop him. I looked back at that goal and it was Kreider who was stationary on the line and all he did was make a lame stick check that did nothing. So I could be wrong but Quinn seemed like he was directing his anger at Kreiders lack of effort on that play.

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    There's lack of effort in everything Kreider does.

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    Wonder if/when Lundqvist becomes open to joining the exodus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fletch View Post
    Wonder if/when Lundqvist becomes open to joining the exodus.
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