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    Rangers' Hayes Drawing Early Interest

    Mentioned on HNIC 2nd Intermission report that there is a lot of interest in Kevin Hayes. Winnipeg can be a destination to fill the void of Statsny. Nick Kypreos doesn’t think it would cost much, either a pick or a prospect.


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    Makes sense, hopefully he can turn that in to a pick and a prospect by the deadline via some strong play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
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    We have to believe we are not giving Hayes away though. If so, package his ass with Shatty or Staal.

    I haven't given up on him and he will be more valuable as a shutdown 3C than Bonino was for Pitt. He has lost weight, he is trying even if his face says he's not. Most importantly he causes more turnovers for teams trying to exit than any Ranger, combined with a decent skill set to counter attack and threaten.

    Ranger fans are not overrating our players. We are killing them here. Sometimes because of how they look. Tough crowd. Hayes's game is a possession, position one on D. He's not going to play fast and furious D like Hags. He compliments guys like Hags or Fast on the forecheck, with his positioning and stick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giacomin View Post
    We have to believe we are not giving Hayes away though. If so, package his ass with Shatty or Staal.

    I haven't given up on him and he will be more valuable as a shutdown 3C than Bonino was for Pitt. He has lost weight, he is trying even if his face says he's not. Most importantly he causes more turnovers for teams trying to exit than any Ranger, combined with a decent skill set to counter attack and threaten.

    Ranger fans are not overrating our players. We are killing them here. Sometimes because of how they look. Tough crowd. Hayes's game is a possession, position one on D. He's not going to play fast and furious D like Hags. He compliments guys like Hags or Fast on the forecheck, with his positioning and stick.
    Why are you even worried about the Bonino role? We're 3-4 years away, and Howden will fill that role.

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    Plus he’s pricing himself out of that role.

    Would love to keep Hayes, but not at the salary he’ll be commanding.
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    Good,get rid of this doofy turd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giacomin View Post
    Ranger fans are not overrating our players. We are killing them here. Sometimes because of how they look. Tough crowd. Hayes's game is a possession, position one on D.
    It's natural for fans to take a dim view of Hayes, because he's big and slows the game down. He's one of our better players, however, especially given the right type of complimenting players. He has a good board game, and as noted above, possession is very important! His improvement on defense and face offs has been marked. I watched him outfox Kopitar on a face off today and thought about how that never would have happened his first few years.

    The problem with trading Hayes (and Zuch) is that I believe they both would be willing to sign with us for their market value or even a bit of a discount, so they are not really pending UFAs from our perspective. They are, however, pending UFAs from a trade partner's perspective. I think trading them would amount to trading de facto non-UFAs for only UFA value. Not good.

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    He needs to start producing if we want something for him. right now he's pacing aroundt 20 points lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sod16 View Post
    It's natural for fans to take a dim view of Hayes, because he's big and slows the game down. He's one of our better players, however, especially given the right type of complimenting players. He has a good board game, and as noted above, possession is very important! His improvement on defense and face offs has been marked. I watched him outfox Kopitar on a face off today and thought about how that never would have happened his first few years.

    The problem with trading Hayes (and Zuch) is that I believe they both would be willing to sign with us for their market value or even a bit of a discount, so they are not really pending UFAs from our perspective. They are, however, pending UFAs from a trade partner's perspective. I think trading them would amount to trading de facto non-UFAs for only UFA value. Not good.
    Neither player are part of the future of this team. Especially Hayes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by !br-avery! View Post
    Good,get rid of this doofy turd.
    LOL He does have that “look” about him. LMAO

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    totally looks like carl from caddyshack

    deduct him, get a nice draft pick, than reach for the intriguing kid from baluchistain
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Why are you even worried about the Bonino role? We're 3-4 years away, and Howden will fill that role.
    Not worried about his role here, but the type of value he could provide to a team. Not just a 3C the way the Pens used Bonino, but he offers the versatility of a shutdown C, to stifle top lines in the playoffs. He can give a team with 2 good offensive C's more favorable situations.

    In terms of draft picks it means at least a #1 this draft. However, I feel like he is worth a bigger return because he can negotiate in January and would likely sign a team friendly deal to the playoff team that actually wanted him and his enigmatic ass for 4/5 years.

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    He's also early insurance in the event of catastrophic (or even shorter-term) injury. Not at all a bad 2C plug in a pinch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    He's also early insurance in the event of catastrophic (or even shorter-term) injury. Not at all a bad 2C plug in a pinch.
    Like Austin Matthews?

    They can have Hayes, Shatty and McQuaid all at 50% retention for Kapanen. They'd be interested in McQuaid and Shatty if they could Frankenstein them into 1 player.

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    Hayes is such a strong puck possession player. If he ever figures out how to not screw up the opportunities he creates for himself and others he really does have the potential to be a strong 25/25 to 30/30 player while providing shutdown defense. I am always so intrigued by the strengths of his game, yet always seem to come away disappointed by the end results. Similar to Kreider in a way in terms of the amount potential and talent (albeit different talent) that exists combined with underachieving production.

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