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    Nashville has Forsberg and Arvidsson as their first 2 LWs.
    Boston have Marchand and DeBrusk.
    Sharks have Kane and Meier.
    Etc.
    Tampa possibly but I’m not sure he’s an upgrade on Palat and Gourde.
    If these guys were half as good as you seem to think we wouldn’t have needed a rebuild.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesy View Post
    Nashville has Forsberg and Arvidsson as their first 2 LWs.
    Boston have Marchand and DeBrusk.
    Sharks have Kane and Meier.
    Etc.
    Tampa possibly but I’m not sure he’s an upgrade on Palat and Gourde.
    If these guys were half as good as you seem to think we wouldn’t have needed a rebuild.
    No he's not cracking Boston's or Nashville's top line, that is crazy talk. But if those two teams or the Avs want to really compete for the Cup they need a potent 2nd line. If not Tampa, Toronto and the Jets will swarm them in this year's playoffs because of potent scoring depth and speed.

    Sure he's an upgrade in Tampa and a need in Colorado and Vegas. The Avs think they are going to compete with the Jets and Preds this year. I didn't believe them either, but they are playing better than the Jets as of now. McKinnon is the beast of beasts. We are not sending him to Pitt.
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    My problem here is that this is a guy who has broken 50 points once in his career, yet Im being told he’s a guy that would walk onto most contending teams 1st lines and they’d be willing to give up their farms to get him.
    Sorry, I don’t buy it. It’s textbook NY Rangers fanitis.

    He’s a pretty good player that could do a job for a number of teams. No more, no less. In my opinion, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesy View Post
    My problem here is that this is a guy who has broken 50 points once in his career, yet Im being told he’s a guy that would walk onto most contending teams 1st lines and they’d be willing to give up their farms to get him.
    Sorry, I don’t buy it. It’s textbook NY Rangers fanitis.

    He’s a pretty good player that could do a job for a number of teams. No more, no less. In my opinion, of course.
    If he can play at the consistent level he did after coming back (lighter) from the blood clot, he's more. He's entered his prime, he's healthy, so if he does not take that next step he appeared ready to take, then you're right. He's merely pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vodka Drunkenski View Post
    Heís too inconsistent for me to be a first line talent. Maybe that could change if he gets some chemistry with some legit top flight talent, who knows
    We were hoping he'd pickup where he left off, but not yet. Still early, but it is time for more than excellent net front presence. Wish they had a legit top 6 RW on that line

    Appreciate the PM, I'm good. Glad we could let it go.

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    It's not about whether he immediately slots in to a 1st line here or there.

    It's that he can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    He’s a great complimentary first line player on just about any team. Size, speed, shot, physicality, net presence. And a few clutch playoff goals, too. Some of what he does doesn’t show on the scoresheet
    Closer to a first line player than anyone else on the team.
    I feel the same. How many goals would he have as Crosby's wing?

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    Do the Rangers Try to Move Kreider This Season?

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    I feel the same. How many goals would he have as Crosby's wing?
    This is what Iíve been thinking about too. With legit talent, albeit high-end talent I think Kreider could score a hundred goals. The key is that his production would be dependent upon the work of others. Heís not the main scoring catalyst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    I donít want another Spooner or Namestnikov, though. Potential top-end talent.

    Hopefully a team gets desperate at deadline and willing to do it.
    That's not what I mean. I'm talking about on the cusp prospects. Guys locked out due to depth or ready to play next season. On the Winnipeg note, think Appleton and/or Niku.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    That's not what I mean. I'm talking about on the cusp prospects. Guys locked out due to depth or ready to play next season. On the Winnipeg note, think Appleton and/or Niku.


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    And I assume that, but I demand more than a Howden type player. And top prospects are hard to come by. When dealing Kreider, with a year left, it needs to be a can’t miss prospect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    And I assume that, but I demand more than a Howden type player. And top prospects are hard to come by. When dealing Kreider, with a year left, it needs to be a can’t miss prospect.
    Well, I doubt they're getting Vesalainen in any deal, so it's Appleton and Niku. After that, it's a sizable drop. Unless they look at roster players currently. Roslovic or Petan, maybe?

    Or, here's a crazy idea: with Laine and Connor both due new deals, what are the odds of Ehlers getting flipped?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    It's not about whether he immediately slots in to a 1st line here or there.

    It's that he can.
    No, that's not the discussion. At least it's not the discussion I'm trying to have. The discussion is whether a contender would trade for him as a 1st line player and pay accordingly.
    I don't disagree he's a guy that can play up and down the lineup for most teams in the league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    It's not about whether he immediately slots in to a 1st line here or there.

    It's that he can.
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    No, that's not the discussion. At least it's not the discussion I'm trying to have. The discussion is whether a contender would trade for him as a 1st line player and pay accordingly.
    I don't disagree he's a guy that can play up and down the lineup for most teams in the league.
    Kind of saying the same thing lol.

    I think the "First-line" idea is being overblown with Kreider. He's a bonafide top-6 player, and teams will pay for that at the deadline, whether he fits on the first line or not. Teams will pay a first-line price, but play Kreider on the second line, if it, effectively, gives them two first lines. Too early to say right now who is and isn't a contender, but Colorado, Nashville, Chicago, Carolina, Pitt, St Louis would all kind of fit in that mold, I think.

    I also wonder if there's something to be done with a Kreider/Panarin swap. Rangers get their guy, and CBJ gets a top-6 winger back for the playoffs. They're not a 1-for-1 in talent, but the economics of it might make some sense for them.

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    We'll see.
    I don't mind that Panarin idea. But the question then would be whether moving Kreider is a good idea if we're going the Panarin route.
    And obviously what one of the contenders would be willing to give up for Panarin at the deadline, which I imagine would be quite a lot for a team in win now mode.

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    You don't trade Kreider for an impending UFA who has already leaked that he wants to play here. I'll take him at no cost to us in the summer.

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    I don't mind trading Kreider, although he's going to need to fetch us something in the neighborhood of a first rounder. I'm just not too sure of what his price is right now. I'm hoping he's going to stay healthy and also be playing well when the deadline arrives.

    Staying healthy is the big thing with him! He'll definitely have value...the question is how much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    You don't trade Kreider for an impending UFA who has already leaked that he wants to play here. I'll take him at no cost to us in the summer.

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