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    I believe it's a modified NTC/NMC he submits a list of ten teams he won't go to that eventually drops down to 8 teams at some point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCCP View Post
    Does he have any kinds of clauses?
    Modified NTC, NMC - (2018-20: Player submits a 10 team no trade list. / 2020-21: Player submits an 8 team no trade list.)
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    I donít think sitting him for a game, or sending down for conditioning will effect trade value in the least bit...especially if it allows him to find his game. As long as he gets better (and more valuable) I donít see this as any kind of long-term negative. And as already mentioned, it bolsters Quinnís authority as a no-nonsense coach.

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    The first three games have proven only one thing: we're a long way from icing a competitive team.

    The vet forwards we have are complimentary players and the vet D we have are all 6th dmen. I can't imagine there won't be some significant turnover in the next couple of seasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giacomin View Post
    If it is accountability, it is an interesting contrast with Gallant's philosophy of telling the players to not worry about mistakes, that you are not getting benched for making mistakes. It worked very well for them last year. Incidently, I've heard Brind-Amour is taking that same approach with the Cane's players. Bust ass, make plays and forget about mistakes.

    I love that philosophy, but for some reason I don't have any problem with what Quinn is doing with this Ranger team. Maybe because some underacheived recently, while Vegas were all new hand picked guys and Carolina has more new guys and rookies.
    I think this might be looking at it the wrong way, just going from comments that I've read.
    I don't get the feeling this is about him being benched because he's making mistakes, gaffes in the defensive zone etc. It's about what he isn't doing, namely drive offense, effectively QB the powerplay and ultimately put points on the board. Basically, he's not fulfilling the role he's assigned on the team, and we have a young, like for like replacement waiting for his chance.
    I really don't think Quinn is putting guys in the dog house for making mistakes. It's the same with Namestnikov and Hayes.
    I also think the chopping and changing is about Quinn getting a good look at what he's got as much as it is about sending messages. I expect a fair bit of this from now until xmas, as I think we'll see a few guys up from Hartford as well in not too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lefty9 View Post
    my worries here is trade value
    I wouldn't worry about that...he doesn't really have any.


    You might be able to flip him for a pick at the deadline, but the number of teams that would have interest in what is a 3rd pair, PP defenseman is pretty minimal, especially with 2 more years left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesy View Post
    I think this might be looking at it the wrong way, just going from comments that I've read.
    I don't get the feeling this is about him being benched because he's making mistakes, gaffes in the defensive zone etc. It's about what he isn't doing, namely drive offense, effectively QB the powerplay and ultimately put points on the board. Basically, he's not fulfilling the role he's assigned on the team, and we have a young, like for like replacement waiting for his chance.
    I really don't think Quinn is putting guys in the dog house for making mistakes. It's the same with Namestnikov and Hayes.
    I also think the chopping and changing is about Quinn getting a good look at what he's got as much as it is about sending messages. I expect a fair bit of this from now until xmas, as I think we'll see a few guys up from Hartford as well in not too long.
    This is a fantastic take. It feels like Quinn is letting the situation and results naturally dictate his next move and that he knows that it is early and this gives him a chance to get a feel for everyone on the roster. Plus if the shuffling continues, no one guy will feel stapled to the pressbox.

    The one motivation that could be play into this is his desire to get a win. The folks on radio like to talk about him getting a win (and some winning) or losing the team's buy-in. I'm not so sure, but it is very possible. Unlike Josh, I'm pretty happy with what I've seen so far and the losing isn't killing me. I'm not sure what some on the board were expecting. I don't think this is the year this team learns how to win. Obviously I have a bias to see the young players demonstrate their potential and kept expectations low. It is different for the players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sod16 View Post
    Too rash. Give him more than three games to get his game back. Not good message to future UFAs or Limited No Trade players who might consider coming here. Something to consider after 10-12 games. Limited minutes he is getting is message enough for now.
    Actually if it was up to me, I want no part of those players based upon this team's experience in the last what at least 10 years
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    I wouldn't worry about that...he doesn't really have any.


    You might be able to flip him for a pick at the deadline, but the number of teams that would have interest in what is a 3rd pair, PP defenseman is pretty minimal, especially with 2 more years left.
    or you might have to trade "our garbage" for "their garbage"......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesy View Post
    I think this might be looking at it the wrong way, just going from comments that I've read.
    I don't get the feeling this is about him being benched because he's making mistakes, gaffes in the defensive zone etc. It's about what he isn't doing, namely drive offense, effectively QB the powerplay and ultimately put points on the board. Basically, he's not fulfilling the role he's assigned on the team, and we have a young, like for like replacement waiting for his chance.
    I really don't think Quinn is putting guys in the dog house for making mistakes. It's the same with Namestnikov and Hayes.
    I also think the chopping and changing is about Quinn getting a good look at what he's got as much as it is about sending messages. I expect a fair bit of this from now until xmas, as I think we'll see a few guys up from Hartford as well in not too long.
    I certainly respect other's opinions here but I think we might be splitting hairs here. To me there is no difference between he's not sitting because he's doing something wrong, he's sitting because he's not doing something right. Same thing imo. In the end he's been under performing since he got here. It's too early to write him off but it's not looking to good so far, again going back to day one not just these three games.

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    I don't think it's too early to write him off, at all. He's 29. This is what he is, he isn't going to improve. He can't defend. Never could.

    Now, he doesn't have the star forwards converting on the chances, so he's pretty much useless to this team right now. At least you give ADA games and he develops.

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    In reality, can we recover a 1st round pick in a trade?
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    According to Brooks Pionk is sitting top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    I wouldn't worry about that...he doesn't really have any.


    You might be able to flip him for a pick at the deadline, but the number of teams that would have interest in what is a 3rd pair, PP defenseman is pretty minimal, especially with 2 more years left.
    I think any playoff team that wants to improve their PP will take a chance on Shittenkirk. As we know, playoff teams that have a chance at the cup will give up assets for rentals

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsrangers View Post
    According to Brooks Pionk is sitting top.

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    Too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Costa View Post
    or you might have to trade "our garbage" for "their garbage"......
    no way Shitts is garbage. 50 point d-men are not dime a dozen

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCCP View Post
    no way Shitts is garbage. 50 point d-men are not dime a dozen
    Shitts is shit.

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