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    Who Won the Trade?

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    Pick results excluded, no Cup = we lost.

    Ironically, our 3rd pick is far better than their 1st round pick, but shouldn't be factored in determining who won this trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    Pick results excluded, no Cup = we lost.

    Ironically, our 3rd pick is far better than their 1st round pick, but shouldn't be factored in determining who won this trade.
    I was just thinking that, (how our 3rd fared better). But as you said, you have to value the picks against their round, not what they became.
    With that being said, that was a lot of assets for Rick Nash...a player I genuinely like, but he was brought here to perform in the playoffs.
    Something he just didn't do.

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    Compared to Columbus, we won.

    We had multiple playoff runs with Nash being a big part.

    Anisimov topped out at mid 40 points after he was traded to Chicago and Dubinsky will a cap casualty. Rangers didn’t “lose” much.
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    The interesting thing about this trade is that it happened on July 20th. Since then, essentially all major trades occur within a week of the deadline or the draft. I'd say this trade turned out even. They got good use out of Dubinsky and Anisimov and we got good use out of Nash.

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    I’d be curious to see if Jackets fans think they got a good return for their franchise player.
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    I think the Rangers won, but Nash a year or two sooner would have really been a win for this franchise, especially the playoff run they had just before his acquisition.
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    Rangers win big time. They got a game changer and a now potential top six forward. Columbus wound up with a 40 point decent center and an overpaid role player.

    Add in what Josh said. The Rangers had a really nice run. Nash never lived up to expectations, but he didn't totally flop.

    I wouldn't undo that trade. This team wouldn't have achieved what they did with those players. They'd probably still have them and have them locked up in bad contracts.

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    You could argue Nash's contract hamstrung us from acquiring players who can perform in the playoffs...and we lost excellent assets to acquire him. It is a big loss with no Cup. No other way around it.

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    They weren’t winning a cup with Dubinsky and Anisimov.
    And who did they miss out on?

    And Nash’s contract wasn’t the issue with Richards, Staal, Girardi, etc when they were winning the President’s trophy or going to the cup final.
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    Based on what Josh said, we won that trade. We got a top six forward and a draft pick in the 2013 draft. Can we make more trades such as this which might get us to the promise land that is the Stanley cup?
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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    They weren’t winning a cup with Dubinsky and Anisimov.
    And who did they miss out on?

    And Nash’s contract wasn’t the issue with Richards, Staal, Girardi, etc when they were winning the President’s trophy or going to the cup final.
    Most likely you are right re: no Cup with those guys versus Nash, but you really do not know that. What we do know for sure is they did not win one with Nash when they were already a Cup contender before acquiring him, and in the process they lost two center trade chips and a 1st round pick along with 8 mill in cap space. I'm sure there are plenty of other options that would have been available either by trade or by signing with that cap space.

    Dubinsky is the exact kind of player everyone talks about this team needing by the way. Someone who plays a hard nosed game, defends teammates, and doesn't completely suck offensively...and they traded him for someone who was softer than Charmin and failed to perform in the playoffs when they needed him most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    I’d be curious to see if Jackets fans think they got a good return for their franchise player.
    Their franchise player was never that here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    Most likely you are right re: no Cup with those guys versus Nash, but you really do not know that. What we do know for sure is they did not win one with Nash when they were already a Cup contender before acquiring him, and in the process they lost two center trade chips and a 1st round pick along with 8 mill in cap space. I'm sure there are plenty of other options that would have been available either by trade or by signing with that cap space.

    Dubinsky is the exact kind of player everyone talks about this team needing by the way. Someone who plays a hard nosed game, defends teammates, and doesn't completely suck offensively...and they traded him for someone who was softer than Charmin and failed to perform in the playoffs when they needed him most.
    Anisimov hit his ceiling way too early. He never took the next step in NY, or after he left. Also had Richards and Stepan in the top 2 slots.
    Dubinsky was an overpaid 4th line penalty killer when traded. The team also had Callahan, Pyatt, Boyle, Asham, Newbury, Rupp, Asham, Haley, Bickel, and Mashinter

    At that time, Rangers make this trade every day of the week. Looking back, they still would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    Their franchise player was never that here.
    Wasn’t suppose to be. We had Richards and gaborik. He was brought in to compliment. At the time, the Talk wasn’t nash couldn’t carry a team, and he’d be a big contributor behind them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    Anisimov hit his ceiling way too early. He never took the next step in NY, or after he left. Also had Richards and Stepan in the top 2 slots.
    Dubinsky was an overpaid 4th line penalty killer when traded. The team also had Callahan, Pyatt, Boyle, Asham, Newbury, Rupp, Asham, Haley, Bickel, and Mashinter

    At that time, Rangers make this trade every day of the week. Looking back, they still would.
    At the time it was a trade they had to make. The team needed a high end scorer and that is what they went for....nothing wrong with that. But in retrospect, it failed. A Cup contending team brought him in and still did not win a Cup. He did not put them over the top. They went for it and lost.

    Same thing with the Yandle and MSL trades. No Cup = failure...but nobody is going to blame the Rangers for going for it.

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    I think the Rangers won the trade

    Now, if this was a Nash: Success, Bust or in-between poll, I’m not voting success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    I think the Rangers won the trade

    Now, if this was a Nash: Success, Bust or in-between poll, I’m not voting success.
    Fair enough

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    Rangers won by a country mile. They got the superior player who, by and large, produced in big numbers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    Wasnít suppose to be. We had Richards and gaborik. He was brought in to compliment. At the time, the Talk wasnít nash couldnít carry a team, and heíd be a big contributor behind them.
    Thatís not true at all.
    The talk was we were getting one of the top wings in the league.


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