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    Regardless of how we do I think smart money would say we will be signing 2 of Panarin, Silverberg, Duchene and/or Seguin( it would be foolish for any of them not to go into free agency and see what they can get and we will have the money to do it)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.wiskers View Post
    Regardless of how we do I think smart money would say we will be signing 2 of Panarin, Silverberg, Duchene and/or Seguin( it would be foolish for any of them not to go into free agency and see what they can get and we will have the money to do it)


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    I'm not so sure that we're that attractive of a destination for free agents anymore. I mean, if we surprise some people like I think we might, then all of a sudden we're a high-energy, competitive team on the upswing with a bright future. But as it stands now, we're a bit of a mess with no light at the end of the tunnel for at least two years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.wiskers View Post
    Regardless of how we do I think smart money would say we will be signing 2 of Panarin, Silverberg, Duchene and/or Seguin( it would be foolish for any of them not to go into free agency and see what they can get and we will have the money to do it)


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    Getting two of four is a HUGE ask. I'll take the under.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger Lothbrok View Post
    I'm not so sure that we're that attractive of a destination for free agents anymore. I mean, if we surprise some people like I think we might, then all of a sudden we're a high-energy, competitive team on the upswing with a bright future. But as it stands now, we're a bit of a mess with no light at the end of the tunnel for at least two years.
    New York is always attractive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.wiskers View Post
    Regardless of how we do I think smart money would say we will be signing 2 of Panarin, Silverberg, Duchene and/or Seguin( it would be foolish for any of them not to go into free agency and see what they can get and we will have the money to do it)


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    I'd love to get Silfverberg, just because of how he seems to be a playoff performer. Add in the weakness on the wing and it's just a good fit. Of course Panarin would be a nice get too.

    I don't think they can attract two of these names though.

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    Why do we want another 40 point winger who is also about to get overpaid (Silfverberg, in case it wasn't obvious)? That would be such a terrible signing.

    Panarin is the guy they need however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.wiskers View Post
    Regardless of how we do I think smart money would say we will be signing 2 of Panarin, Silverberg, Duchene and/or Seguin( it would be foolish for any of them not to go into free agency and see what they can get and we will have the money to do it)


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    I'd entertain the idea of signing Duchene to a Hayes-like contract, 1 year, maybe around 6m. I dont think you can commit to him long-term.

    Would LOVE Seguin, but it will take a huge overpayment to get him out of Dallas. And then I'm not sure he'd have the linemate like Benn to get those stats up.

    Panarin - sure. But it will depend on the progress of our centers this season. If 3 of Zib, Chytil, Lias and Howden (Hayes?) don't take huge steps forward, I'm not sure we should be investing in another skilled winger for the long term. (In the top 6 Kravtsov, Panarin, Buchnevich, Chytil, Zibanejad - middle/bottom 6: Namestnikov, Spooner, Fast) SAWFT

    Silverberg - would be an old school Rangers pick up. paying him 6m x 7 for third line duties. Helll no
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    Seguin could definitely be a possibility. UFA after this season (Although I think he'd probably end up staying in Dallas). What was missing throughout the last few years of good playoff runs was a true #1 talent. We had the perfect supporting cast and an elite goalie. We just didn't have that one top player to put us over the top. With the cap continuing to go up and what will likely be a lot of cap room, we can absolutely afford Seguin. But to lure him here, the young players are going to have to show a lot. But if he wants to be THE guy in a big city like New York, he'll definitely have that option
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    I'm for it, I just think you need to be careful during the rebuild process.

    These are questions that should be asked/answered next offseason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    They were, what, a point out when they waived the white flag last February? They could easily have bought and made the final wildcard. Instead, they proactively sold. I'd say that counts.


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    When we traded McDonagh and Miller we were 25th. To me that was the flag, Nash not so much.
    When Nash was traded, we had just gone 5-16 in the previous 21 games.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    Why do we want another 40 point winger who is also about to get overpaid (Silfverberg, in case it wasn't obvious)? That would be such a terrible signing.

    Panarin is the guy they need however.
    Because he's really good in the playoffs? Like I said? 45 points in 69 games. Solid two way player. Decent size. Not sure about his metrics. They ought to be pretty good..

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Because he's really good in the playoffs? Like I said? 45 points in 69 games. Solid two way player. Decent size. Not sure about his metrics. They ought to be pretty good..
    I see a very inconsistent playoff performance. 2 really good ones, 2 terrible ones, and 2 meh ones.

    Pass on giving him big money...we already have guys like him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    I see a very inconsistent playoff performance. 2 really good ones, 2 terrible ones, and 2 meh ones.

    Pass on giving him big money...we already have guys like him.
    Who???? Who do the Rangers have that can turn it on in the playoffs? Ohhhh Fast. Yeah. We have players JUST like Silfverberg...

    He's had one bad playoff 13/14. His sophomore season.

    Rookie--12/13- 10 games 4 points
    13/14- 13 games 2 points
    14/15- 16 games 18 points
    15/16- 7 games 4 points
    16/17- 17 games 14 points
    17/18- 4 games 2 points
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Who???? Who do the Rangers have that can turn it on in the playoffs? Ohhhh Fast. Yeah. We have players JUST like Silfverberg...

    He's had one bad playoff 13/14. His sophomore season.

    Rookie--12/13- 10 games 4 points
    13/14- 13 games 2 points
    14/15- 16 games 18 points
    15/16- 7 games 4 points
    16/17- 17 games 14 points
    17/18- 4 games 2 points
    We have and have had plenty of 40 point wingers for quite some time now. Anyone who follows the team already knows. Silfverberg is not in the same class as the other 3 players you've mentioned...and it's not close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puck Head View Post
    When we traded McDonagh and Miller we were 25th. To me that was the flag, Nash not so much.
    When Nash was traded, we had just gone 5-16 in the previous 21 games.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    We have and have had plenty of 40 point wingers for quite some time now. Anyone who follows the team already knows. Silfverberg is not in the same class as the other 3 players you've mentioned...and it's not close.
    Where did I say he was better? I said I'd like to add him. Do I have to say why again? What player on this team or past Ranger teams are playoff performers? That's something that has been lacking big time.

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    I think this is on the shoulders of how the blue line does. believe we were 29-30th in gaa last year. goals we were in the middle of the pack. special teams were pretty good.

    i really want to see them on the lower end of things this season just so they get a chance at a top pick but if we are competitive i'm not going to cry about it as it means the kids are developing better than anticipated.

    we are in the right direction though of that i am certain. I'm really happy this org took a step back to retool the right way, especially in a league where u see talent locked up at a younger age. Paramount to develop through with in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    I couldn't disagree with this more. It doesn't send a bad message. It sends the right one. That they're committed to this thing, truly, and that the kids are the future. Moving guys out opens spots for MORE youth.


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    Ditto that. Have the sense that if some/any of the established players are not pulling their weight, especially the more marketable ones with a contract decision pending, they'll be gone pronto (I guess as long as a sensible/reasonable to replace them exists). Last thing the kids need are any country club vibes to seep in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlairBettsBlocksEverything View Post
    Seguin could definitely be a possibility. UFA after this season (Although I think he'd probably end up staying in Dallas). What was missing throughout the last few years of good playoff runs was a true #1 talent. We had the perfect supporting cast and an elite goalie. We just didn't have that one top player to put us over the top. With the cap continuing to go up and what will likely be a lot of cap room, we can absolutely afford Seguin. But to lure him here, the young players are going to have to show a lot. But if he wants to be THE guy in a big city like New York, he'll definitely have that option
    The opportunity to start putting a bug in someone's ear is there, if NYR have a friend in the right place? Stir the pot.

    But TBH it sounds to me like he wants to be in Dallas right now. Dallas Management on the other hand doesn't sound overly concerned — which might come back to bite them in the ass, who knows That last comment by Nils — "If we don't, he's going to have a good year and we're going to have a good team and go from there," seemed like an unnecessary add from the point of view of diplomacy, but WTF do I know?


    Stars center Tyler Seguin 'disappointed' in lack of contract negotiations with DallasThe Stars center and pending unrestricted free agent repeated that sentiment to reporters in Toronto on Tuesday, expressing frustration that he has not signed a long-term contract extension in Dallas.

    Seguin, 26, has one more year on his contract that carries a cap hit of $5.75 million. Should he hit free agency July 1, he will be the marquee forward on the market.

    "Nothing's really going on," Seguin told reporters at BioSteel camp, where some NHL players train. "Pretty much haven't been talking much this summer. It's been a little disappointing. I thought I'd have some exciting news to talk about at BioSteel camp, especially this late in the summer.

    "It's been disappointing, but at the end of the day, I've always had one year left here, so I'm focused on that. I'm focused on BioSteel camp right now. I'm excited to get back to Dallas, and I look forward to a good year."

    Earlier this month, Stars general manager Jim Nill said there was an open dialogue between the two sides, though he did not seem concerned about negotiations leaking into the regular season.

    "Right now, it's August, and on both sides 'Let's see once we get here, get started and see where things go,'" Nill told SportsDay. "I don't want people to panic. He's got a year left, and if we get him signed, great. If we don't, he's going to have a good year and we're going to have a good team and go from there."

    ...
    "I'm disappointed it hasn't happened, or it didn't," Seguin said. "There hasn't been no negotiations. It's just been training this summer, getting ready for this year. Since Day One, I've still had this last year here in Dallas. Dallas is home. I'm looking forward to having a good year, and I definitely want to win."


    Nill said talks were more about where the market was heading rather than convincing Seguin about the Stars, or Dallas itself.

    Signing Seguin to a long-term deal would give the Stars a pair of massive contracts on the books for nearly a decade. Captain Jamie Benn just finished the first of his eight-year extension worth $9.5 million annually.

    This summer, John Tavares left the New York Islanders for Toronto, inking a seven-year deal worth an average of $11 annually. Tampa Bay signed Nikita Kucherov to an eight-year contract with a cap hit of $9.5 million annually. Seguin's bill should fall in similar ballparks.

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