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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    This screams of Texas Sharpshooter fallacy. I'd need a lot more corroborating evidence to buy this correlation (that hits equal wins) at face value.
    Here's a random stat. JT Miller in 2017 playoffs. 2 and above hits per game 5-2 ( the 2 were OTL) . 1 hit games 1-4.
    All I'm saying is that these stats are interesting.

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    No, you implied they're "that important" to the game in direct reference to wins and losses. Again, I'm going to need to see a lot more evidence than this to buy that argument.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CBrowningPI View Post
    Here's a random stat. JT Miller in 2017 playoffs. 2 and above hits per game 5-2 ( the 2 were OTL) . 1 hit games 1-4.
    All I'm saying is that these stats are interesting.

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    I think that shows players were involved and willing. Something we didn’t see this past my season, for whatever reason. I think we are all looking forward to seeing players that appear to be more involved with the player, and show a bit more effort every shift. Part of that will be physical play, and may involve dropping the gloves, but we need the guys that are willing and able to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    No, you implied they're "that important" to the game in direct reference to wins and losses. Again, I'm going to need to see a lot more evidence than this to buy that argument.


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    The "that important" I should have stated is my personal opinion and is not necessarily reality.

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    Fair enough. I love physical hockey, for the record. I just don't buy that hitting, specifically, has been the missing ingredient. That, to me, was what your post appeared to be suggesting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Fair enough. I love physical hockey, for the record. I just don't buy that hitting, specifically, has been the missing ingredient. That, to me, was what your post appeared to be suggesting.


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    Ok, just one more. Fast 24 hits vs MTL 6 games win series. 9 hits vs OTT 6 games lose series.
    Checking = garlic

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    Point is, I feel this team needs a whole new face....a whole new attitude and feel. The past is now the past and yes, they played like pansies on a lot of occasions, even before our last coach...even under Torts, who probably broke a blood vessel in his head coaching "those" type players that don't play physically.

    I simply feel that hockey being the contact sport it is, a player is much better playing with a physical edge to his game; even the scorers.

    I can't help but look back at the 2015 Final against the Kings. They absolutely out hit and outplayed the Rangers much of the series, and I feel they had a superior advantage simply because of their physical play. I don't mean dirty play fellas, I mean hard, clean hits within the rules, or as the announcers put it "finishing your checks"...ALL OF THEM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBrowningPI View Post
    Ok, just one more. Fast 24 hits vs MTL 6 games win series. 9 hits vs OTT 6 games lose series.
    Checking = garlic

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    AV was begging the team to be physical that series. They put Glass in the lineup, they kept attacking Karlsson. I remember Valiquette talking about "push offs", that AV and the coaches were trying to make Karlsson "push off" the boards or players every change possible, in an effort to wear him down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Point is, I feel this team needs a whole new face....a whole new attitude and feel. The past is now the past and yes, they played like pansies on a lot of occasions, even before our last coach...even under Torts, who probably broke a blood vessel in his head coaching "those" type players that don't play physically.

    I simply feel that hockey being the contact sport it is, a player is much better playing with a physical edge to his game; even the scorers.

    I can't help but look back at the 2015 Final against the Kings. They absolutely out hit and outplayed the Rangers much of the series, and I feel they had a superior advantage simply because of their physical play. I don't mean dirty play fellas, I mean hard, clean hits within the rules, or as the announcers put it "finishing your checks"...ALL OF THEM!
    Finishing your checks...implies going into a 'check' in the first place. We simply didn't appear to do that enough -- just my eye test. I agree with OZZY that hockey is a contact sport. A team approach to hitting, at least being physically involved, can be an intimidating factor in compiling W's v. L's. How would you like to be the opposition getting ready for a game knowing that the team in the other dressing is going to hit you -- all of you! Getting into the heads of the opposition matters.

    Funny aside story: In HS, we had a visiting team arrive on our field just prior to pre-game warm-ups. Our team was in our end zone doing stretches when their bus pulled in. For a moment, nothing happened, but then the door opened and this blood curdling scream emerged from their bus as they poured out like fire ants! They all lined up and began doing jumping jacks in unison, all the while screaming at us in some kind of chant. We got scared shitless and they beat the hoy crap out of us. Yeah, I was one of those pussies too -- LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Point is, I feel this team needs a whole new face....a whole new attitude and feel. The past is now the past and yes, they played like pansies on a lot of occasions, even before our last coach...even under Torts, who probably broke a blood vessel in his head coaching "those" type players that don't play physically.

    I simply feel that hockey being the contact sport it is, a player is much better playing with a physical edge to his game; even the scorers.

    I can't help but look back at the 2015 Final against the Kings. They absolutely out hit and outplayed the Rangers much of the series, and I feel they had a superior advantage simply because of their physical play. I don't mean dirty play fellas, I mean hard, clean hits within the rules, or as the announcers put it "finishing your checks"...ALL OF THEM!
    I remember seeing warmups before game 1 in L.A. The Kings looked like giants skating fast. I thought at that moment, we're so fucked. And it played out just as Ozzy said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4EverRangerFrank View Post
    Finishing your checks...implies going into a 'check' in the first place. We simply didn't appear to do that enough -- just my eye test. I agree with OZZY that hockey is a contact sport. A team approach to hitting, at least being physically involved, can be an intimidating factor in compiling W's v. L's. How would you like to be the opposition getting ready for a game knowing that the team in the other dressing is going to hit you -- all of you! Getting into the heads of the opposition matters.

    Funny aside story: In HS, we had a visiting team arrive on our field just prior to pre-game warm-ups. Our team was in our end zone doing stretches when their bus pulled in. For a moment, nothing happened, but then the door opened and this blood curdling scream emerged from their bus as they poured out like fire ants! They all lined up and began doing jumping jacks in unison, all the while screaming at us in some kind of chant. We got scared shitless and they beat the hoy crap out of us. Yeah, I was one of those pussies too -- LOL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CBrowningPI View Post
    I remember seeing warmups before game 1 in L.A. The Kings looked like giants skating fast. I thought at that moment, we're so fucked. And it played out just as Ozzy said.

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    They weren’t fucked though, they should’ve won the first 2 games. They could’ve easily won that series 4-1 like the Kings did, things just didn’t bounce their way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vodka Drunkenski View Post
    They weren’t fucked though, they should’ve won the first 2 games. They could’ve easily won that series 4-1 like the Kings did, things just didn’t bounce their way.
    This. Aside from Game 3, which was total domination by the Kings, every other game could have gone the other direction. There is no telling what would have happened if goalie interference was properly called in Game 2 and the Rangers went on to take that one to tie the series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vodka Drunkenski View Post
    They weren’t fucked though, they should’ve won the first 2 games. They could’ve easily won that series 4-1 like the Kings did, things just didn’t bounce their way.
    Your right. I just watched the highlights on YT. Still depressing to see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Point is, I feel this team needs a whole new face....a whole new attitude and feel. The past is now the past and yes, they played like pansies on a lot of occasions, even before our last coach...even under Torts, who probably broke a blood vessel in his head coaching "those" type players that don't play physically.

    I simply feel that hockey being the contact sport it is, a player is much better playing with a physical edge to his game; even the scorers.

    I can't help but look back at the 2015 Final against the Kings. They absolutely out hit and outplayed the Rangers much of the series, and I feel they had a superior advantage simply because of their physical play. I don't mean dirty play fellas, I mean hard, clean hits within the rules, or as the announcers put it "finishing your checks"...ALL OF THEM!
    I feel Torts kinda had a similar mentality as far as fighting, and playing aggressive. He had a bunch of lunch pail players that could hit and play physical, but more often than not, they didn't. Instead they turned the other cheek and picked their ass up off the ice, trying to be the better man...

    Shanahan, Callahan, Avery, Fedotenko, Girardi, Dubinsky, Kreider, McD, Prust, Rupp, Sauer, Ashem, Haley, Voros, Boogard, Weise, Shelley, and a couple others. Why weren't those teams tough to play against? Why weren't they playing a physical game? All those guys turned into pussies? Toronto s hardly ever used tough guys. He'd rather have a deep team with special teams guys on the 4th line.

    I don't know man. Not sure every player that was brought in to be physical just decided "OUT OF THE FUCKIN BLUUUUUUUUUUUE (to rip... us...off!!!!) to just play wimpy or change their entire make up and reputation as a player....

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    I feel Torts kinda had a similar mentality as far as fighting, and playing aggressive. He had a bunch of lunch pail players that could hit and play physical, but more often than not, they didn't. Instead they turned the other cheek and picked their ass up off the ice, trying to be the better man...

    Shanahan, Callahan, Avery, Fedotenko, Girardi, Dubinsky, Kreider, McD, Prust, Rupp, Sauer, Ashem, Haley, Voros, Boogard, Weise, Shelley, and a couple others. Why weren't those teams tough to play against? Why weren't they playing a physical game? All those guys turned into pussies? Toronto s hardly ever used tough guys. He'd rather have a deep team with special teams guys on the 4th line.

    I don't know man. Not sure every player that was brought in to be physical just decided "OUT OF THE FUCKIN BLUUUUUUUUUUUE (to rip... us...off!!!!) to just play wimpy or change their entire make up and reputation as a player....
    The rangers team under torts led the league in fights I believe. The 2012 team was the toughest ranger team to play against that I can remember in my opinion. They played so hard that a narrative of they were worn out was born by an assclown media who resented torts and picked up by large group of the fan base. Obviously that was the beginning of the end of torts as he was gone following the next season. But for a short couple of years the rangers played the toughest hockey they ever played that I can remember. (1984 or so).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    The rangers team under torts led the league in fights I believe. The 2012 team was the toughest ranger team to play against that I can remember in my opinion. They played so hard that a narrative of they were worn out was born by an assclown media who resented torts and picked up by large group of the fan base. Obviously that was the beginning of the end of torts as he was gone following the next season. But for a short couple of years the rangers played the toughest hockey they ever played that I can remember. (1984 or so).
    Agreed. The lead the league is hits fights blocks etc.

    So funny how people just fabricate versions of the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    The rangers team under torts led the league in fights I believe. The 2012 team was the toughest ranger team to play against that I can remember in my opinion. They played so hard that a narrative of they were worn out was born by an assclown media who resented torts and picked up by large group of the fan base. Obviously that was the beginning of the end of torts as he was gone following the next season. But for a short couple of years the rangers played the toughest hockey they ever played that I can remember. (1984 or so).
    This. Also, the 79 team with Nicky Fotiu played tough and smart. Not sure how a few think the team played like pussies for Torts.

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