Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 53

Thread: WSH Re-Sign F Tom Wilson to 6-Year/$31.02M Extension; $5.17M AAV

  1. #1
    Russian Meddling BSBH Rookie
    josh's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    25,552
    Rep Power
    267

    WSH Re-Sign F Tom Wilson to 6-Year/$31.02M Extension; $5.17M AAV

    https://twitter.com/sportscentre/sta...759164933?s=21

    JUST IN: #Capitals re-sign forward Tom Wilson to a six-year, $31 million contract. It carries an AAV of $5.17 million per year. tsn.ca/1.1149486 #NHL
    Lias Andersson for #AJT2019

  2. #2
    If you ain't first, you're last! BSBH Legend
    Phil in Absentia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Brooklyn, NY
    Posts
    84,601
    Rep Power
    421
    Pete Blackburn, I think, speaks for everyone on this:

    "Somehow, Tom Wilsonís worst hit ever is his cap hit"


    Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
    Hidden Content

    "Everyone says you should be a good loser. If youíre a good loser, youíre a loser."
    - John Tortorella


    "I've always said, I'd rather tame a tiger than paint stripes on a kitty cat."
    - Dean Lombardi


    "Don't take refuge in the false security of consensus, and the feeling that whatever
    you think you'e bound to be okay, because you're in the safely moral majority."

    - Christopher Hitchens

  3. #3
    Senior Member Pee-Wee Division
    rmc51's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    678
    Rep Power
    28
    Wow....

  4. #4
    If you ain't first, you're last! BSBH Legend
    Phil in Absentia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Brooklyn, NY
    Posts
    84,601
    Rep Power
    421
    It's a lot of money for Wilson. He's a good player, no doubt, but $5 million when you have Vrana and Burakovsky next summer is, in a word, yikes. Especially with Carlson kept long-term. Someone's getting traded in the near future.


    Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
    Hidden Content

    "Everyone says you should be a good loser. If youíre a good loser, youíre a loser."
    - John Tortorella


    "I've always said, I'd rather tame a tiger than paint stripes on a kitty cat."
    - Dean Lombardi


    "Don't take refuge in the false security of consensus, and the feeling that whatever
    you think you'e bound to be okay, because you're in the safely moral majority."

    - Christopher Hitchens

  5. #5
    Senior Member BSBH Prospect
    So Nashty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    10,430
    Rep Power
    46

  6. #6
    Senior Member Pee-Wee Division
    Gravesy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2018
    Posts
    786
    Rep Power
    40
    I would much rather spend that sort of money on Tom Wilson than Kevin Hayes, but maybe I'm alone here.

  7. #7
    If you ain't first, you're last! BSBH Legend
    Phil in Absentia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Brooklyn, NY
    Posts
    84,601
    Rep Power
    421
    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesy View Post
    I would much rather spend that sort of money on Tom Wilson than Kevin Hayes, but maybe I'm alone here.
    ...why? Even if both were centers (they're not), how can you possibly justify a $5M AAV on a 35-point third-line level player who put up numbers similar to Jesper Fast playing shotgun to Ovechkin?
    Hidden Content

    "Everyone says you should be a good loser. If youíre a good loser, youíre a loser."
    - John Tortorella


    "I've always said, I'd rather tame a tiger than paint stripes on a kitty cat."
    - Dean Lombardi


    "Don't take refuge in the false security of consensus, and the feeling that whatever
    you think you'e bound to be okay, because you're in the safely moral majority."

    - Christopher Hitchens

  8. #8
    Senior Member Pee-Wee Division
    Gravesy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2018
    Posts
    786
    Rep Power
    40
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    ...why? Even if both were centers (they're not), how can you possibly justify a $5M AAV on a 35-point third-line level player who put up numbers similar to Jesper Fast playing shotgun to Ovechkin?
    I didn't say I thought it was money well spent, I just made the point because people seem fine spending that money on Hayes whilst poo-pooing this deal.
    Wilson was an important part of a Stanley Cup winning team, fills a very specific role on the Caps and is an absolute nightmare to play against. He opens up loads of space for the Ovechkin line and has the opposition more worried about whatever it is Tom Wilson is doing than focusing on playing the game. It's the dreaded intangibles I guess. I'd certainly have him in my team over Hayes any day of the week, even if it isn't necessarily comparing apples with apples.

  9. #9
    a.k.a.Phildagoalie Junior Division
    Respecttheblue's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    N.Y.
    Posts
    9,687
    Rep Power
    87
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    It's a lot of money for Wilson. He's a good player, no doubt, but $5 million when you have Vrana and Burakovsky next summer is, in a word, yikes. Especially with Carlson kept long-term. Someone's getting traded in the near future.


    Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
    IMO I thought he was a huge difference-maker in the SCF -- the physical presence and impact on Vegas was a standout to me. That he can play with top caliber players like Ovi is a huge plus, otherwise he wouldn't see a fraction of this money.
    If n ya gots jowls, they might as well be furry ones.

  10. #10
    If you ain't first, you're last! BSBH Legend
    Phil in Absentia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Brooklyn, NY
    Posts
    84,601
    Rep Power
    421
    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesy View Post
    I didn't say I thought it was money well spent, I just made the point because people seem fine spending that money on Hayes whilst poo-pooing this deal.
    Probably because Hayes is more productive and a better hockey player.

    Wilson was an important part of a Stanley Cup winning team, fills a very specific role on the Caps and is an absolute nightmare to play against. He opens up loads of space for the Ovechkin line and has the opposition more worried about whatever it is Tom Wilson is doing than focusing on playing the game. It's the dreaded intangibles I guess. I'd certainly have him in my team over Hayes any day of the week, even if it isn't necessarily comparing apples with apples.
    I get all that. I like players like that, too. I also hate overpaying for grit that isn't productive. His deal is more comparable to Lucic than Hayes. Going for both term and big AAV on these types of players almost NEVER works out.


    Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
    Hidden Content

    "Everyone says you should be a good loser. If youíre a good loser, youíre a loser."
    - John Tortorella


    "I've always said, I'd rather tame a tiger than paint stripes on a kitty cat."
    - Dean Lombardi


    "Don't take refuge in the false security of consensus, and the feeling that whatever
    you think you'e bound to be okay, because you're in the safely moral majority."

    - Christopher Hitchens

  11. #11
    Senior Member Pee-Wee Division
    Gravesy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2018
    Posts
    786
    Rep Power
    40
    I don’t agree Hayes is a “better” hockey player.
    Puts up more points, yes. But there are a host of players that could replace him in any given lineup. I can’t think of many, if any, players currently playing that would’ve been a like for like replacement for Wilson in that Caps lineup.
    At the end of the day hockey is a team sport and you need different guys doing different things. Wilson brings a pretty unique skill set to the Caps lineup, it’s obviously working for them and they felt it was worth paying for. I think it’s fair enough.

  12. #12
    If you ain't first, you're last! BSBH Legend
    Phil in Absentia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Brooklyn, NY
    Posts
    84,601
    Rep Power
    421
    Scores more, plays a harder position, excels in a two-way role, and doesn't ride shotgun to stars to produce his primary points. You can disagree, I suppose, but you're disagreeing with an awful lot of facts that don't paint Wilson in a great light.

    When it comes to guys like Wilson, I'm all in, too, but to a limit. Kreider, for example, is a good comparable who makes less and produces more.


    Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
    Hidden Content

    "Everyone says you should be a good loser. If youíre a good loser, youíre a loser."
    - John Tortorella


    "I've always said, I'd rather tame a tiger than paint stripes on a kitty cat."
    - Dean Lombardi


    "Don't take refuge in the false security of consensus, and the feeling that whatever
    you think you'e bound to be okay, because you're in the safely moral majority."

    - Christopher Hitchens

  13. #13
    Very Large Member BSBH Prospect
    Vodka Drunkenski's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    14,696
    Rep Power
    135

    WSH Re-Sign F Tom Wilson to 6-Year/$31.02M Extension; $5.17M AAV

    I donít see how Wilson is better than Hayes. Wilson rode a wave and will come back to reality.
    Hidden Content

    Let's Go Rangers!

  14. #14
    Senior Member Pee-Wee Division
    Gravesy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2018
    Posts
    786
    Rep Power
    40
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Scores more, plays a harder position, excels in a two-way role, and doesn't ride shotgun to stars to produce his primary points. You can disagree, I suppose, but you're disagreeing with an awful lot of facts that don't paint Wilson in a great light.

    When it comes to guys like Wilson, I'm all in, too, but to a limit. Kreider, for example, is a good comparable who makes less and produces more.


    Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
    Well not exactly. I'm disagreeing with leaning mainly on production to determine the value of a player without looking at context.
    I don't think riding shotgun to Ovi is a stick to beat him with in this instance. The fact he's able to skate with Ovi and Kuznetsov and not be detrimental to that line is what separates him from most of your typical grit guys. Him playing on that line made them horrendous to deal with, and in my opinion he was extremely important against Pittsburgh, Tampa and VGK.

    What I agree with is that the Caps might have been a bit giddy with their playoff run and it's obviously a bit of a risk in terms of how Wilson actually pans out in the long run.
    I understand questioning the cap hit here, but I also understand why the Caps feel there is value in the very specific role he performs and they obviously believe he can build on what he started in the playoffs.

    I don't think Kreider is comparable at all. Wilson absolutely destroys teams with his physical, in your face game. Like I said, teams are often more concerned with Tom Wilson than with playing the game. Kreider does nothing of the sort and has nowhere near the same effect.
    Last edited by Gravesy; 07-29-2018 at 06:03 AM.

  15. #15
    If you ain't first, you're last! BSBH Legend
    Phil in Absentia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Brooklyn, NY
    Posts
    84,601
    Rep Power
    421

    WSH Re-Sign F Tom Wilson to 6-Year/$31.02M Extension; $5.17M AAV

    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesy View Post
    Well not exactly. I'm disagreeing with leaning mainly on production to determine the value of a player without looking at context.
    I don't think riding shotgun to Ovi is a stick to beat him with in this instance. The fact he's able to skate with Ovi and Kuznetsov and not be detrimental to that line is what separates him from most of your typical grit guys. Him playing on that line made them horrendous to deal with, and in my opinion he was extremely important against Pittsburgh, Tampa and VGK.

    What I agree with is that the Caps might have been a bit giddy with their playoff run and it's obviously a bit of a risk in terms of how Wilson actually pans out in the long run.
    I understand questioning the cap hit here, but I also understand why the Caps feel there is value in the very specific role he performs and they obviously believe he can build on what he started in the playoffs.

    I don't think Kreider is comparable at all. Wilson absolutely destroys teams with his physical, in your face game. Like I said, teams are often more concerned with Tom Wilson than with playing the game. Kreider does nothing of the sort and has nowhere near the same effect.
    Because Wilson is a unicorn. There are none exactly like him, or close enough to blur the lines. But there are players of similar cache, like Kreider, who are better comparables by both position, role, production, and size.

    Generally speaking, I agree with you on Wilson as a player. But even with 30-something even strength points to his name riding shotgun to OV, that's a bit of an indicment on what he can actually accomplish. Again, playing primarily third and fourth line minutes, Jesper Fast accomplished a similar scoring feat and makes basically 4x less per season.

    Ultimately, I think the Caps made the right call in keeping him. But the cost to do so could prove Pyrrhic, especially if it costs them Vrana and/or Burakovsky next summer.


    Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
    Hidden Content

    "Everyone says you should be a good loser. If youíre a good loser, youíre a loser."
    - John Tortorella


    "I've always said, I'd rather tame a tiger than paint stripes on a kitty cat."
    - Dean Lombardi


    "Don't take refuge in the false security of consensus, and the feeling that whatever
    you think you'e bound to be okay, because you're in the safely moral majority."

    - Christopher Hitchens

  16. #16
    Moderator BSBH Prospect
    Puck Head's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    North Pole
    Posts
    10,783
    Rep Power
    131

    WSH Re-Sign F Tom Wilson to 6-Year/$31.02M Extension; $5.17M AAV

    Wilson feels like Lucic 2.0
    Exciting for a bit, but eventually a terrible contract

    Difference being, Lucic was 2x the player than Wilson ever was/is


    Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
    Last edited by Puck Head; 07-29-2018 at 03:01 PM.

  17. #17
    If you ain't first, you're last! BSBH Legend
    Phil in Absentia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Brooklyn, NY
    Posts
    84,601
    Rep Power
    421

    WSH Re-Sign F Tom Wilson to 6-Year/$31.02M Extension; $5.17M AAV

    Quote Originally Posted by Puck Head View Post
    Wilson feels like Lucic 2.0
    Exciting for a bit, but eventually a terrible contract

    Difference being, Lucic was 2x the player than Wilson ever was/is


    Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
    Basically this. Wonderful players to have... until you have to pay them as they age and become dramatically less effective.


    Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
    Hidden Content

    "Everyone says you should be a good loser. If youíre a good loser, youíre a loser."
    - John Tortorella


    "I've always said, I'd rather tame a tiger than paint stripes on a kitty cat."
    - Dean Lombardi


    "Don't take refuge in the false security of consensus, and the feeling that whatever
    you think you'e bound to be okay, because you're in the safely moral majority."

    - Christopher Hitchens

  18. #18
    Senior Member Pee-Wee Division rangers02's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2018
    Location
    SE Massachusetts
    Posts
    688
    Rep Power
    5
    What is it with all of these $5M AAV contracts? The NHL is snorting coke, and could see a potential lock-out if all these deals continue

    Sent from my [device_name] using http://Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile...ed by Tapatalk
    Having hardships while winning.


    Let's Go Rangers! You're the only team I've got this sports season (Besides the Yankees in March 2019)

  19. #19
    If you ain't first, you're last! BSBH Legend
    Phil in Absentia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Brooklyn, NY
    Posts
    84,601
    Rep Power
    421
    They'll see one regardless. But these deals are always the backbreakers.


    Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
    Hidden Content

    "Everyone says you should be a good loser. If youíre a good loser, youíre a loser."
    - John Tortorella


    "I've always said, I'd rather tame a tiger than paint stripes on a kitty cat."
    - Dean Lombardi


    "Don't take refuge in the false security of consensus, and the feeling that whatever
    you think you'e bound to be okay, because you're in the safely moral majority."

    - Christopher Hitchens

  20. #20
    Senior Member Midget Division
    Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    2,691
    Rep Power
    21
    Someone would choose a career-high 35 points winger who played on the same line as Ovechkin (who scored 50 goals) before Hayes?

    Im sorry, but thats just funny.

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •