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    Good point. I like it when Kreider scores and lifts his little viking up to celebrate though. I really hope the lines settle down after some time so the shuffling eases and each line knows what to expect from their linemate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYR2711 View Post
    I like this line-up. Just leave McLeod out all together. I like Fast with Anderson, hopefully that line would get more than 3 minutes a game though as well.
    Yeah! Respectdablue addressed it well. As a just in case enforcer, he may be useful as a 13th F. Don't want kids in the press box. He can be very useful in Hartford. A liability as a regular in NY.

    Bet the two Swedes together works. As two-way players it assists a younger scoring LW, which allows that line to get regular shifts down a goal, in the third. Moving Fast up (as King said) to protect a lead is/has been a great option.

    I wish Ronning would at least get a couple of months in Hartford. Smaller players (Zuc, St Louis, Marchessault) seem to take longer to develop. Maybe they need to really hone their skills to NHL level, since they never can rely on size or physicality.

    Hate to crush/interrupt Ronning's confidence by bringing him up because he flashed in an exhibition game, only to get him exposed a month into the season. He played as an overager in juniors for a reason. Even at the start of 2018, many (scouts and observers) thought he might not make the NHL. Why would he then be "the guy" to skip a level of development?

    Howden is a different story. His size and 2 way maturity is excellent. For some time he's been viewed as a likely 2C and getting close to ready. Due to the log jam at C, the team may prefer he gets a short stint in Hartford too. Unless Howden blows up camp, play them together in Hartford and sort things out in NYC till ~ Thanksgiving or injury.

    I don't know enough about Meskanen to provide a good opinion. Wouldn't he be more likely to make the team, assuming all 3 show similarly decent enough readiness and promise in camp?

    Or if Nieves has a very good camp, Quinn likely gives him another shot to prove himself. If he doesn't step up sometime this year, mgmt may cut bait with him.
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    The first line was really clicking with Fast, so let's break that up.

    Mccleod. Please. Enough has been said on this, but with Anderson? Fortunately, my guess is that it won't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sod16 View Post
    The first line was really clicking with Fast, so let's break that up.

    Mccleod. Please. Enough has been said on this, but with Anderson? Fortunately, my guess is that it won't happen.
    Fast is so damn valuable that he actually clicked best with Zib/Kreid in the 2nd half. He can truly move all the way up or down the lineup. However, Fast should just be a temp on a top-line. As a PKer and D specialist (capable of contributing on O) he is more valuable in the bottom 6, moving up the lineup when needed.

    It may be better to give Buch first shot to win the job on RW. Though, I am curious if it'd be better for Buch and Names to pair the Ruskies with a scorer on the 2nd line. Buch would get better matchups and Names is great at exits and entries, a role Buch does not provide.

    A RW like Stone would make a big difference throughout the forward lineup. Just like a strong RHD would for the D corp. Since neither is likely, let's see if Buch is ready to step up. Pragmatically, it doesn't matter if he loses some matchups against top players. We are not competing, so why start with Fast on the top line unless Buch disappoints.
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    Has Jesper Fast ever been put in a good position to succeed offensively? It is an intriguing discussion, given how he performed down the stretch last year. We know he's an excellent 3rd line checking forward. I do wonder if he's capable of more.

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    Fast had a stretch during which he benefited from the dominance of Kreider and Zib. Fast adds nothing to a top 6 line if the other two aren't driving the offense.

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    Fast has long been a better finisher than you might think, and with K and Z both having a long history of defensive deficiencies, I see Fast as a no brainer on that line. There is a long history of great scoring lines in which one of the wings is more of defensive anchor who can chip in on offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sod16 View Post
    Fast has long been a better finisher than you might think, and with K and Z both having a long history of defensive deficiencies, I see Fast as a no brainer on that line. There is a long history of great scoring lines in which one of the wings is more of defensive anchor who can chip in on offense.
    I agree. JT Miller made a comment about Fast being a better offensive talent than most thought. He can work well on 1-4 but he was constantly asked to be a shutdown foward because there really were few players who could be trusted to handle it. Being the players player for years shows his character, and he was also always in the top 3 for hits per game, every game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sod16 View Post
    Fast has long been a better finisher than you might think, and with K and Z both having a long history of defensive deficiencies, I see Fast as a no brainer on that line. There is a long history of great scoring lines in which one of the wings is more of defensive anchor who can chip in on offense.
    You see Fast as a "no brainer" first liner? Shocking.

    I agree he should get a chance to move up the lineup and prove something -- like almost everyone in camp -- but at 33 points I can think of better options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    You see Fast as a "no brainer" first liner? Shocking.

    I agree he should get a chance to move up the lineup and prove something -- like almost everyone in camp -- but at 33 points I can think of better options.
    I think this is because Fast put up 12 points in the final 12 games of the season. I'd start Fast up top to check that out to start the season, because why the fuck not?

    Kreider - Zib - Fast
    Andersson - Hayes - Vesey
    Buchnevich - Chytil - MZA
    Namestnikov - Spooner - Beleskey
    McLeod

    These lines aren't in order, who ever's going gets the ice time.
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    Kreider - Zib - Buchnevich
    Namestnikov - Hayes - Zucc
    Chytil - Spooner - Fast
    Vesey - Andersson - Lettieri
    (Beleskey)

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    The most difficult part about this lineup is lack of puck retrievers/forecheckers. You have Fast and Kreider... if you put them on the same line, the next best is Vesey, who averaged 1 hit per game last season, and regardless of how some posters want to point to his fiestiness, he's not an incredibly effective forechecker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    The most difficult part about this lineup is lack of puck retrievers/forecheckers. You have Fast and Kreider... if you put them on the same line, the next best is Vesey, who averaged 1 hit per game last season, and regardless of how some posters want to point to his fiestiness, he's not an incredibly effective forechecker.
    Doesn't Zucc sqeeze in there before Vesey?

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    Yes, but Zucc is probably below average when it comes to NHL forecheckers. They both get a decent number of take-aways, but I dont see either as a guy creating havoc on dmen in the offensive zone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    but at 33 points I can think of better options.
    Try parsing that to five on five points per minute on the ice and then give it a kicker to compensate who he played with and what his marching orders were for nine-tenths of the season. K and Z's five on five points per minute played were not good at all until Fast came along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    The most difficult part about this lineup is lack of puck retrievers/forecheckers. You have Fast and Kreider... if you put them on the same line, the next best is Vesey, who averaged 1 hit per game last season, and regardless of how some posters want to point to his fiestiness, he's not an incredibly effective forechecker.
    Yes, Vesey averaged 1.1 hits per game. So much worse than Fast's 1.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    Yes, Vesey averaged 1.1 hits per game. So much worse than Fast's 1.8
    Fast lead the team in hits w/ 130 in 71 games. Vesey was 7th W/ 83 in 79 games. I'm not making any particular point, just wanted to clarify the 1.1 to 1.8 comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    The most difficult part about this lineup is lack of puck retrievers/forecheckers. You have Fast and Kreider... if you put them on the same line, the next best is Vesey, who averaged 1 hit per game last season, and regardless of how some posters want to point to his fiestiness, he's not an incredibly effective forechecker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    Top 9:

    Krieder - Zibanejad - Buchnevich

    Namestnikov - Chytil - Zuccarello

    Vesey - Hayes - Spooner

    -----------------------------------------------

    4th Line options:

    Meskanen/Ronning - Anderson - Fast <---- with youth injection

    McLeod - Holland/Nieves - Fast <---- without youth injection
    Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for if Hayes stays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    Yes, Vesey averaged 1.1 hits per game. So much worse than Fast's 1.8
    Not necessarily a shot are Vesey, as it is the entire lineup. Grabner, Miller and Nash were our top forecheckera, along with Fast and Kreider. Might not always be hits, but those guys were always the first on the puck, constantly pressuring the defense and not giving them any time. That’s a lot to make up, when your next best option is Jimmy Vesey. And after him, it’s a bigger drop off.

    I did have a sentence about the structure and system but took it out.
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