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    Signing a worse deal than Cody McBlob cannot be a good sign. I always hope the guys that put there time in can make the jump and be effective. Quinn sure has a staggering workload ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesy View Post
    He’s got a chance but he’s definitely not a sure shot for 4C in my opinion.
    I see it as a perfect spot for him and the team. I don't want to see Andersson, Howden or Chytil wasting away on a 4th line.

    Nieves can only improve on what hasn't been that bad of a run in the NHL, given the circumstances (AV). If he's given an honest shot, and put in situations that suite his skills, yet fails... Well then, that's on him, or tough luck. It's a spot they can afford to try out a last chance player like Nieves. If anything they may gain a reliable speedy center whom may be able to be a pk specialist ala Dom Moore. A useful 4th liner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    I see it as a perfect spot for him and the team. I don't want to see Andersson, Howden or Chytil wasting away on a 4th line.

    Nieves can only improve on what hasn't been that bad of a run in the NHL, given the circumstances (AV). If he's given an honest shot, and put in situations that suite his skills, yet fails... Well then, that's on him, or tough luck. It's a spot they can afford to try out a last chance player like Nieves. If anything they may gain a reliable speedy center whom may be able to be a pk specialist ala Dom Moore. A useful 4th liner.
    OMG, you were doin so good until you mentioned the most useless player in Rangers history. Domonic Moore was more worthless then McIlraths dinkleberry. How that turd continued to play in the NHL is more in question then the signing of McCleod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBrowningPI View Post
    OMG, you were doin so good until you mentioned the most useless player in Rangers history. Domonic Moore was more worthless then McIlraths dinkleberry. How that turd continued to play in the NHL is more in question then the signing of McCleod.

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    Wow.


    Just...wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    Wow.


    Just...wow.

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    Was that too extreme?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBrowningPI View Post
    Was that too extreme?

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    I mean, I suppose you're entitled to your opinion, but your suggestion that a player who has played in nearly 900 NHL games isn't just worthless, but worth less than a guy who played in just 43 is, well, something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    I mean, I suppose you're entitled to your opinion, but your suggestion that a player who has played in nearly 900 NHL games isn't just worthless, but worth less than a guy who played in just 43 is, well, something.
    My eye test just hated Moores game. He contributed zero to every team after his good year with Tampa. The more I watched him the greater I hated his play.

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    I mean, that's fine. I've got no issue with someone disliking a player. I just found your comparison absurd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    I see it as a perfect spot for him and the team. I don't want to see Andersson, Howden or Chytil wasting away on a 4th line.

    Nieves can only improve on what hasn't been that bad of a run in the NHL, given the circumstances (AV). If he's given an honest shot, and put in situations that suite his skills, yet fails... Well then, that's on him, or tough luck. It's a spot they can afford to try out a last chance player like Nieves. If anything they may gain a reliable speedy center whom may be able to be a pk specialist ala Dom Moore. A useful 4th liner.
    From what I could see and read about, regarding development week, one player was head and shoulders above the rest. Chytil dominated. If we can plan on one thing it is Chytil making the top 9 out of camp.

    Howden looked good, but has never played against men. A few months in Hartford (top line, first PP) is perfect for him, while coach sorts out of the mess in NY.

    Lias is the tricky one. Will his skating be improved. A competent 4th line, not saddled with McLoud, is fine. Lias may not be ready, but could develop well under this coach w/o the pressure of playoff expectations. Say on a line with Fast and Vesey? That is a line that gets regular shifts and can be on the ice at the end of games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    I mean, that's fine. I've got no issue with someone disliking a player. I just found your comparison absurd.
    Yeah, it was. I'm attempting to be less of a sarcastic dick, but I seem to fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    I see it as a perfect spot for him and the team. I don't want to see Andersson, Howden or Chytil wasting away on a 4th line.

    Nieves can only improve on what hasn't been that bad of a run in the NHL, given the circumstances (AV). If he's given an honest shot, and put in situations that suite his skills, yet fails... Well then, that's on him, or tough luck. It's a spot they can afford to try out a last chance player like Nieves. If anything they may gain a reliable speedy center whom may be able to be a pk specialist ala Dom Moore. A useful 4th liner.
    I donít necessarily disagree with that, although I think itís the makeup of that 4th line which determines whether itís good or bad for Andersson and Howden to play there. Play them alongside solid players and it could be just fine for them. But considering weíve got
    Zib
    Hayes
    Chytil
    Andersson
    Howden
    Namestnikov
    Spooner
    Nieves

    I donít see him as even close to being a certainty for the 4C spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giacomin View Post

    Howden looked good, but has never played against men.
    Not entirely accurate as he’s played in the A for Syracuse. Only 5 games, so it’s not a great sample size, but he did well too. 3 goals, 1 assist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesy View Post
    I don’t necessarily disagree with that, although I think it’s the makeup of that 4th line which determines whether it’s good or bad for Andersson and Howden to play there. Play them alongside solid players and it could be just fine for them. But considering we’ve got
    Zib
    Hayes
    Chytil
    Andersson
    Howden
    Namestnikov
    Spooner
    Nieves

    I don’t see him as even close to being a certainty for the 4C spot.
    This was my point, made more effectively by Gravesy. I'm not arguing that Nieves was necessarily a bad player but that - based on added and emerging personnel - the competitive standard for 4C in MSG is rising. He would need to deliver at the level of his very best last year (or an upgrade) to qualify for the same minutes he got last year. Got my doubts whether he has that in him but again, hopefully the available opportunity will increase the compete level and bring the best in all the lads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBrowningPI View Post
    OMG, you were doin so good until you mentioned the most useless player in Rangers history. Domonic Moore was more worthless then McIlraths dinkleberry. How that turd continued to play in the NHL is more in question then the signing of McCleod.

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    Because he could skate, win faceoffs, kill penalties and carry the puck.

    I was hoping Mcllrath would make it. Truth is, he just doesn't have it. He hasn't made it.

    Moore on the other hand has been so useless that he's managed to have an NHL gig for 15 years. Not sure how that works out. You know, being useless and all.

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    We don't have many wings, and Names and Spooner are more effective there IMO.

    Hayes and Zib can also move to wing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesy View Post
    I don’t necessarily disagree with that, although I think it’s the makeup of that 4th line which determines whether it’s good or bad for Andersson and Howden to play there. Play them alongside solid players and it could be just fine for them. But considering we’ve got
    Zib
    Hayes
    Chytil
    Andersson
    Howden
    Namestnikov
    Spooner
    Nieves

    I don’t see him as even close to being a certainty for the 4C spot.
    I'm not sure we see either Namestnikov or Spooner playing center for this team if Hayes is here. The team has very little to offer on the wing past Kreider, Zucc and Buch. So, obviously both can and have played wing with some success, and that's very likely where they fit in the teams current make up.

    Playing those guys on a fourth line would either be a waste, or by some miracle it would mean they are crazy deep.

    Kreider- Zib - Buch
    Namestnikov- Hayes- Zucc
    Vesey- Chytil/Andersson- Spooner/Fast
    McLeod/Ronning- Nieves- Euro signing/Fast

    I don't think we see a roster that has all three of Chytil, Andersson and Howden playing on it THIS season. No matter how good they play.. It's kinda exactly why I don't want to keep Hayes around.

    If all three kids excell and Hayes is freshly signed to a 5 year deal possibly or most likely with some kind of no movement clause, puts the Rangers in a bad spot. How often is a player signed to a long term deal, and then traded that year or even the next? I'd imagine not often. Can't look good for future potential signees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    I'm not sure we see either Namestnikov or Spooner playing center for this team if Hayes is here. The team has very little to offer on the wing past Kreider, Zucc and Buch. So, obviously both can and have played wing with some success, and that's very likely where they fit in the teams current make up.

    Playing those guys on a fourth line would either be a waste, or by some miracle it would mean they are crazy deep.

    Kreider- Zib - Buch
    Namestnikov- Hayes- Zucc
    Vesey- Chytil/Andersson- Spooner/Fast
    McLeod/Ronning- Nieves- Euro signing/Fast

    I don't think we see a roster that has all three of Chytil, Andersson and Howden playing on it THIS season. No matter how good they play.. It's kinda exactly why I don't want to keep Hayes around.

    If all three kids excell and Hayes is freshly signed to a 5 year deal possibly or most likely with some kind of no movement clause, puts the Rangers in a bad spot. How often is a player signed to a long term deal, and then traded that year or even the next? I'd imagine not often. Can't look good for future potential signees.
    We did exactly that to Stepan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    I'm not sure we see either Namestnikov or Spooner playing center for this team if Hayes is here. The team has very little to offer on the wing past Kreider, Zucc and Buch. So, obviously both can and have played wing with some success, and that's very likely where they fit in the teams current make up.

    Playing those guys on a fourth line would either be a waste, or by some miracle it would mean they are crazy deep.

    Kreider- Zib - Buch
    Namestnikov- Hayes- Zucc
    Vesey- Chytil/Andersson- Spooner/Fast
    McLeod/Ronning- Nieves- Euro signing/Fast

    I don't think we see a roster that has all three of Chytil, Andersson and Howden playing on it THIS season. No matter how good they play.. It's kinda exactly why I don't want to keep Hayes around.

    If all three kids excell and Hayes is freshly signed to a 5 year deal possibly or most likely with some kind of no movement clause, puts the Rangers in a bad spot. How often is a player signed to a long term deal, and then traded that year or even the next? I'd imagine not often. Can't look good for future potential signees.
    I actually think Anderssons game is quite well suited to centering the 4th line, provided he doesn't have to play with trash like McLeod.
    As someone said, Fast-Andersson-Vesey could be a decent 4th line.
    I also have hopes for Chytil centering the 2nd line.

    So, for example
    Kreider-Zib-Buch
    Namestnikov-Chytil-Zucc
    Meskanen-Hayes-Spooner
    Vesey-Andersson-Fast

    But like I said he has a chance of making that 4c spot his. I just don't think it's anywhere near a foregone conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesy View Post
    I actually think Anderssons game is quite well suited to centering the 4th line, provided he doesn't have to play with trash like McLeod.
    As someone said, Fast-Andersson-Vesey could be a decent 4th line.
    I also have hopes for Chytil centering the 2nd line.

    So, for example
    Kreider-Zib-Buch
    Namestnikov-Chytil-Zucc
    Meskanen-Hayes-Spooner
    Vesey-Andersson-Fast

    But like I said he has a chance of making that 4c spot his. I just don't think it's anywhere near a foregone conclusion.
    I don't think it is bad to start Lias at 4c. Maybe Quinn could do something to augment his minutes and continue his offensive development like put him on the 2nd PP unit.

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