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Thread: Rangers Draft [D] K'Andre Miller in 1st Rd. (22nd) Pick

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    To me, he still looks very raw.
    And I think there will always be pressure to develop, and develop quickly, when you are a first round pick.

    And by take our time, I mean, potentially 4 years, plus 1 in the AHL. (McDonagh was 3 + 1/2 in AHL, for comparison)
    Pressure can be managed with good mgmt. The pressure picks up once mgmt handles expectations poorly and doesn't put a wet blanket on any hype.

    Josh, times they are a changing. No reason to think talented fast physical 1st rounders need five years before being able to break into the league. Even raw defenders... and he is not raw or immature in a number of areas. He'll have no problem with the speed of the game or the size, something a lot of kids can't say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    My "concern" with Miller is he is an athlete first, hockey player second.

    We need to be very careful and cognizant regarding his development, especially since he's only been playing defense the last few seasons. He could probably get by on athleticism, and be a solid bottom pair guy. Or he continues to develop (give him an extra season or 2), and he could develop into a #2. I don't want to see the organization (or the player) feel pressured into getting him into the NHL 'ASAP' and limit his potential.
    That's actually part of why I like his upside so much. Imagine how much more he can grow focusing exclusively on hockey.

    I agree that he's raw, but he's very different than, say, Sean Day. Miller doesn't depend on playmaking or splash plays, and is elite in the draft class at NZ and zone entry defense. Those skills translate pretty quickly to the NHL.
    https://twitter.com/FutureBlueshirt/...12601528012800
    https://twitter.com/MitchLBrown/stat...41715071287296

    He's really a lot like Marc Staal, who was in the NHL 2 years after being drafted and only played a dozen games in the AHL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    That's actually part of why I like his upside so much. Imagine how much more he can grow focusing exclusively on hockey.

    I agree that he's raw, but he's very different than, say, Sean Day. Miller doesn't depend on playmaking or splash plays, and is elite in the draft class at NZ and zone entry defense. Those skills translate pretty quickly to the NHL.
    https://twitter.com/FutureBlueshirt/...12601528012800
    https://twitter.com/MitchLBrown/stat...41715071287296

    He's really a lot like Marc Staal, who was in the NHL 2 years after being drafted and only played a dozen games in the AHL.
    i dont disagree with any of this, but therein lies my hesitation. He's got the size, can skate, and "he can bring the puck in the zone" so management throws him into the lineup, prematurely, when he has rounded out the rest of his game.

    I want to see him be a great hockey player with amazing athleticism.
    Not, an athlete playing hockey.
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    Just kind of adding to the discussion, Miller's analytics (though USNDP vs. CHL is kind of tricky), are phenomenal. Per Mitch Brown...

    https://theathletic.com/398538/2018/...cking-project/

    If there’s one takeaway from this article, it’s that Ty Smith and K’Andre Miller are both excellent players. Of the nine different ways we evaluated the prospects, Ty Smith was top-four in five of them. Miller was top-two in six categories, including every measure of offence and the top player in neutral zone defence.
    Miller is an athlete first, but he seems to know how to use it already, and he's more productive offensively than he's getting credit for, based on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    i dont disagree with any of this, but therein lies my hesitation. He's got the size, can skate, and "he can bring the puck in the zone" so management throws him into the lineup, prematurely, when he has rounded out the rest of his game.

    I want to see him be a great hockey player with amazing athleticism.
    Not, an athlete playing hockey.
    He’s playing next season in college. They’ll probably re-evaluate him again afterwards regarding the future but nothing management or scouting has said about him indicates that they think he’s ready to compete yet or any time soon really.

    If I can say anything about this whole rebuild so far it’s that the team seems to be completely dedicated to making sure they’re doing it correctly.


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