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    People are going to be pissed if we take a Dman, but the Dmen available are very good and would become our best prospect in the system instantly. BPA. BPA. BPA. Keep it simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesy View Post
    The D’s available to us at 9 are basically no brainers.
    The only one with a small question mark for me is Boqvist, but he comes with a massive upside.

    The wild card is whether Wahlstrom is there or not.
    It's true, all 4 look like no brainer offensive Dmen. Ty Smith might fit too and wouldn't expect him to get past the Isles. Hope we don't draft based on how close to playing in the NHL, let's not do that again.

    Wahlstrom looks to be the forward with the best chance of making it to us. Wouldn't that be the tits.

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    That would be nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugg View Post
    Need to add a scoring forward, not another JAG defenseman. Among and between Eyechart, Shattenkirk, Pionk, Lindgren, Day and Hajek and others already here, it's enough. If some 100 pt offensive D Brian Leetch like guy is there, fine. But that's not likely. Get the sense though if Gorton and Clark think D is the best, they won't much care.
    Imma kinda with you on that Bugg, we have Russian Dman Yegor Rykov in the mix too, (or is that who you mean by Eyechart?)

    Our top-6 looks very anemic to me. Outside of Kreider and Zibnejad we are in a whole mess of trouble.
    Chytil is nice but unproven. Andersson has so far shown me very little.
    We are packed with bottom 6 players unless Fast and or Buchenvich can secure spots on the top 2 lines.

    Is this what we're looking at next year?

    1) Kreider Zib Fast/Buchnevich
    2) Zucc Andersson Chytil

    That's not much of a future yet.

    Who else?
    Ty Ronning? Howden?

    While I think Ty Ronning will surprise to the upside, the cupboard does not have nearly enough top-6 talent we need to develop.
    I don't see Fogarty, Tambellini, Fontaine, becoming top-6 material. The cupboard is bare. On the other hand, as you point out, we seem to have more than enough D prospects.

    This draft scares me as an exercise in frustration with so few forwards predicted and so many D-men predicted in the top 9 slots.
    Jeez I hope this team can draft brilliantly well, because there does not appear to be much to be excited about in the forward ranks.

    P.S. what's JAG Defenseman -- in my world that's a military acronym for Judge Advocate General

    Quote Originally Posted by Giacomin View Post
    It's true, all 4 look like no brainer offensive Dmen. Ty Smith might fit too and wouldn't expect him to get past the Isles. Hope we don't draft based on how close to playing in the NHL, let's not do that again.

    Wahlstrom looks to be the forward with the best chance of making it to us. Wouldn't that be the tits.
    That's kind of a hope, but Lady Luck seems to have checked out of Madison Square Garden a couple or so years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Respecttheblue View Post
    Imma kinda with you on that Bugg, we have Russian Dman Yegor Rykov in the mix too, (or is that who you mean by Eyechart?)

    Our top-6 looks very anemic to me. Outside of Kreider and Zibnejad we are in a whole mess of trouble.
    Chytil is nice but unproven. Andersson has so far shown me very little.
    We are packed with bottom 6 players unless Fast and or Buchenvich can secure spots on the top 2 lines.

    Is this what we're looking at next year?

    1) Kreider Zib Fast/Buchnevich
    2) Zucc Andersson Chytil

    That's not much of a future yet.

    Who else?
    Ty Ronning? Howden?

    While I think Ty Ronning will surprise to the upside, the cupboard does not have nearly enough top-6 talent we need to develop.
    I don't see Fogarty, Tambellini, Fontaine, becoming top-6 material. The cupboard is bare. On the other hand, as you point out, we seem to have more than enough D prospects.

    This draft scares me as an exercise in frustration with so few forwards predicted and so many D-men predicted in the top 9 slots.
    Jeez I hope this team can draft brilliantly well, because there does not appear to be much to be excited about in the forward ranks.

    P.S. what's JAG Defenseman -- in my world that's a military acronym for Judge Advocate General



    That's kind of a hope, but Lady Luck seems to have checked out of Madison Square Garden a couple or so years ago.
    Meant Skjei, forgot about Rykov. But it kind of looks like enough defense and still not enough scoring up front. If there is a can't miss scoring defense, sure. But we need to develop our own scoring rather than trade for it as NYR have during this pas run.

    JAG was Bill Parcells' description of an average player, roster filler, replacement value , Just Another Guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugg View Post
    If there's a no brainer big time offensive D, fine. But There are only going to be 7 D on the roster at any given time, and only 4 of them getting the bulk of minutes. Skjei, Shattenkirk, Pionk are going to lock down 3 of those slots, Smith or Staal (figure 1 or the other is gone) will be the 4, DeAngelo and 3 young guys will get a shot. Shattenkirk is the old man (assuming Staal is gone) at 28 with a long term contract. How much really is a young D going to play in the next 3 years?
    It's highly unlikely that 5 of the first 9 picks are forwards so the point is moot. A forward will most likely be available at 9 and any D available will not make an immediate impact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugg View Post
    Meant Skjei, forgot about Rykov. But it kind of looks like enough defense and still not enough scoring up front. If there is a can't miss scoring defense, sure. But we need to develop our own scoring rather than trade for it as NYR have during this pas run.

    JAG was Bill Parcells' description of an average player, roster filler, replacement value , Just Another Guy.
    None of them are A level prospects tho. If we pick a D at #9 he will be our best D prospect by far, and most likely the only one with a #1D potential.

    If all the wingers are gone by the time we are on the clock we should go for a D (even ahead of Kotk).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    What I mean is you can trade from that group to add as needed. Quality centers are the most valuable trade chip in the league, forward-wise.


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    Centers bring most value, followed by D-men. By the same rationale, if Wahlstrom, Tkachuk, Zadina, and even Kotkaniemi are all gone, Rangers should not go casting about for a winger. Pick up the best D-man, upgrade the herd, and deal off extra prospects later. BPA, all the way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RodrigueGabriel View Post
    Centers bring most value, followed by D-men. By the same rationale, if Wahlstrom, Tkachuk, Zadina, and even Kotkaniemi are all gone, Rangers should not go casting about for a winger. Pick up the best D-man, upgrade the herd, and deal off extra prospects later. BPA, all the way!


    you, zuc, 31, me agree. No reaching, highest grade/upside on our board, w/o a red flag. It's not like we have a bunch of surefire top pair Dmen on the team or in the system anyway.
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    Saw somewhere today that Rangers don't like Boqvist. I'm worried that if he's the player available they'll go off board... again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    Saw somewhere today that Rangers don't like Boqvist. I'm worried that if he's the player available they'll go off board... again.
    I get that in the "new NHL," Boqvist is a prototype D-man: light and quick, probably real smart, too. But as I watched deeper and deeper into the playoffs, I saw a whole lot of the "old NHL" where the blue line corps needs to be 6'3", 220 cro-magnon men that have concussions for breakfast and don't particularly notice or mind if their little finger falls off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RodrigueGabriel View Post
    I get that in the "new NHL," Boqvist is a prototype D-man: light and quick, probably real smart, too. But as I watched deeper and deeper into the playoffs, I saw a whole lot of the "old NHL" where the blue line corps needs to be 6'3", 220 cro-magnon men that have concussions for breakfast and don't particularly notice or mind if their little finger falls off.

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    Of all the Dmen. Boqvist has slipped the most. If they don't like him I guess there must be a reason.
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    The size of some of these D men is a concern to me. Obviously not Bouchard or Dobson. This thought that they can handle bigger players at the level they play in now, will transfer to the pro game is wishful thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    The size of some of these D men is a concern to me. Obviously not Bouchard or Dobson. This thought that they can handle bigger players at the level they play in now, will transfer to the pro game is wishful thinking.
    Certainly a concern. As Dunny has said, don’t need to draft Ryan Murray. For a few of these guys, they are projecting close to a ppg defender for several years, and if the defense is serviceable, that’s a good pick
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    As I am watching the NHL 2018 top 31 prospects , a lot f these dman remind me of a dman we already have , Anthony DeAngelo, I don't know of that is a good sign

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    Quote Originally Posted by lefty9 View Post
    As I am watching the NHL 2018 top 31 prospects , a lot f these dman remind me of a dman we already have , Anthony DeAngelo, I don't know of that is a good sign
    Exactly what I fear with a lot of these kids.

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    I tell you who I wouldn’t take at 9—Kravtsov!


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