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    Fair. Isn't that considered a bad move now? I dunno. Maybe my Hayes hate is boiling over but I wouldn't trade a first for him. No fucking chance.
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    Yes. Also, what we—you or I—would or wouldn't give up for a player isn't really relevant. We're talking about what an NHL GM would give up for Hayes. No doubt, he'd fetch a first.


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    I kinda wanna see what Hayes does under a new coach. I kind of like how he played at the tail end of the season when vigneault let up a bit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by So Nashty View Post
    I kinda wanna see what Hayes does under a new coach. I kind of like how he played at the tail end of the season when vigneault let up a bit.


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    I'd like to kick the tyres again on Names and Spooner -- it's interesting they all seem to have around the same point production and can all play center.

    I like the way Spooner adapted to playing here. I like the way that Hayes flipped the switch from assist-making to goal scoring last season.

    I was disturbed and extremely disappointed how Namestnikov just disappeared with 4 points (after a promising first couple of games) during his 19 games versus Spooner's 16.

    the body language and verbal language vibes in his so-called breakup day interview was concerning for me.

    If he's that seemingly disinterested in being here -- or has that lack of excitement ... adios amigo; don't let the door hit you on the way out. My question is does he need to be with Stamkos/Kucherov to produce. Too many questionmarks and red flags for me. No denying he has talent but he'd be my first option to trade.

    Disclaimer: I don't share the frequently expressed "Hayes hate" of some others here. Frustration yes, but hate no. I want this guy to do well, especially on a team of smurfs... I just wish he'd throw a few more hits, and maybe even punches (shock, horror!) and be someone who more visibly sticks up for teammate. He showed he could box in the ring during offseason training last year or the year before. Maybe he will never be that player, but I wish he'd channel little brother Zuccarello and big brother Brian Boyle, if he did, he has the talent/tools to be a far more valuable and productive player. Come on Kevin, you can be a 60 point player if you get out of your head and into the game 100 percent, nearly every game. This 45 point limbo is unbecoming of you.
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    1st off Seems like Hayes was one of the first ppl Quinn mentioned as having a good relationship with, knowing his family and stuff. So I can,’t see gong anywhere. yes Quinn seems like the type of guy that wants to play fast and physical ala Nash., Wash. etc. but I’m sure Hayes is one of those guys that he will keep.




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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    Not sure where you are getting 10 million. ~7.3 million according to Capfriendly.

    They won't fit Zucker and Dumba both with 7.3 million.
    That's based on last season's cap. It's projected to go up to ~$80m, so they'd have ~$12.5m in cap space.

    They're also both RFAs, it's not like Minny needs to give them massive UFA deals. A qualifying offer under $3m and then arbitration for a 2- or 3-year bridge deal would keep them well under the cap I'd think.
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    I don't understand the dislike of Hayes. He has improved his areas of weakness and was one of very few players who met or exceeded expectations last year. Flawed? Perhaps. But he's the least of our problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sod16 View Post
    I don't understand the dislike of Hayes. He has improved his areas of weakness and was one of very few players who met or exceeded expectations last year. Flawed? Perhaps. But he's the least of our problems.
    Some people dislike him because reasons.

    But I think the majority of people who want to move Hayes think that way because he'd bring in a big return. He's a 26-year-old center who just scored 25 goals on a trash team, there'd be a good market for that.

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    My issue with Hayes is how much they are going to have to pay him. Me personally, I don't see him being worth $5M a season, I would rather have paid Miller that much. This is his last year as an RFA, so its sign him to a 1 year deal or give him a bigger deal and pay more. We don't know how Andersson or Chytil will play and could pass him over for the second line center spot. That is why I would want him moved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sod16 View Post
    I don't understand the dislike of Hayes. He has improved his areas of weakness and was one of very few players who met or exceeded expectations last year. Flawed? Perhaps. But he's the least of our problems.
    Amen to that.
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    There's a theory out there that offer sheets are going to become more important in creating a team and poaching young very talented players away while still young.
    Anyone out there that NYR might target? is it worth the price? Too early in the rebuild to think about it? Good timing with the draft?

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    Ten years into a salary cap world, GMs unhappy with the quality of UFAs available have finally begun to view offer sheets as a useful tool to pry players away from their teams.

    And it's working.

    It happened three times last week alone: Dougie Hamilton went to Calgary (after the Oilers made noise about an offer sheet), Ryan O'Reilly went to Buffalo (after negotiations with Colorado went nowhere), and Brandon Saad went to Columbus (after his requests were way too high for cap-strapped Chicago and multiple teams planned to pounce).

    All three players are between 22 and 24 years of age; O'Reilly is the only one with more than 208 NHL games played.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sod16 View Post
    I don't understand the dislike of Hayes. He has improved his areas of weakness and was one of very few players who met or exceeded expectations last year. Flawed? Perhaps. But he's the least of our problems.
    Bad optics. My opinion is that he's an entitled prick with a bad attitude. Out of shape. Takes selfish penalties. Has poor to no hockey IQ. Takes shifts off or games off or months off. Doesn't hustle when it doesn't suit him. He's a Boston frat bro. Frankly, I think the situation with him Skjei and Vesey living together was a nightmare last season and if I were the Rangers I'd be sure to break that up. Skjei is arguably our most important piece moving forward. Not the other two buffoons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Respecttheblue View Post
    There's a theory out there that offer sheets are going to become more important in creating a team and poaching young very talented players away while still young.
    Anyone out there that NYR might target? is it worth the price? Too early in the rebuild to think about it? Good timing with the draft?
    I hope offer sheets become a thing. Free Agency has been a snooze for the last 5 years or so.
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    They won't. Don't hold your breath.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    He's a Boston frat bro.
    I remember the Rangers used to have this Boston frat bro and I would frequently see him his frat bro posse drinking at Upper East Side hot spots. Leetch, I believe, was his name.

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    31 was a huge Boyle fan, too.

    Unless its a Boyle that puts up points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sod16 View Post
    I remember the Rangers used to have this Boston frat bro and I would frequently see him his frat bro posse drinking at Upper East Side hot spots. Leetch, I believe, was his name.
    Let me know when Hayes wins the calder or puts up 70+ points or wins the Con Smythe or has his number retired. If he does any of those things, I'll give him a pass. Until then, no chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    31 was a huge Boyle fan, too.

    Unless its a Boyle that puts up points.

    Please elaborate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sod16 View Post
    I remember the Rangers used to have this Boston frat bro and I would frequently see him his frat bro posse drinking at Upper East Side hot spots. Leetch, I believe, was his name.
    Hmmmm, talk about a stretch. Apples to orange no pun intended.

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