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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    Pionk has plenty to learn. He's only been a pro for less than a year. All the guys have shit to learn. It's weather or not they're skilled enough to be competitive in the NHL. I think Pionk is, but on a good team, he's not an NHL player yet.
    Agreed! a lot of people in my opinion banking on half the roster magically being drastically better just by rolling in a new coach. I don't see it from most of the marginally talented guys on this roster. We have way too many middle of the road and below here currently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsrangers View Post
    Agreed! a lot of people in my opinion banking on half the roster magically being drastically better just by rolling in a new coach. I don't see it from most of the marginally talented guys on this roster. We have way too many middle of the road and below here currently.
    We don't have an NHL roster at this point. I think there are 7 forwards with contracts. None are 1st line players. The defense is in even worse shape. So that said, the Rangers have work to do. If they want to ice a competitive team, that'll mean making a lot of trades and signing a lot of players. If they don't really care about the outcome and hope to finish anywhere from 8th - 13th then you'll see a lot of the young guys in the lineup. Pionk will probably make the team but that doesn't mean he doesn't have shit to learn. He's got plenty to learn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    Pionk has plenty to learn. He's only been a pro for less than a year. All the guys have shit to learn. It's weather or not they're skilled enough to be competitive in the NHL. I think Pionk is, but on a good team, he's not an NHL player yet.
    You misunderstood, I said in the A, as in AHL. He has nothing to gain going back to Hartford. He'll be 23 this summer. He has plenty to learn, but he needs to do it in NY, playing at NHL speed. Of all the young defenders, he earned a spot. I want to see what he can do with it.

    Lias and Chytil are much younger and did not have a college career. The Rangers could determine that Hartford is the right learning environment for either to start the season. They won't do that will Pionk. That does not mean he is better or a finished product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    It didnt seem to work last season. How do you think it works to success with an even younger roster?

    culture matters.



    obviously - more playing time.
    You're way over-blowing this culture of losing thing.

    Culture of losing is created when losing is accepted with no consequence. Culture of losing is NOT created when young developing players who hate to lose (hey tosser...step up!) Go through growing pains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giacomin View Post
    You misunderstood, I said in the A, as in AHL. He has nothing to gain going back to Hartford. He'll be 23 this summer. He has plenty to learn, but he needs to do it in NY, playing at NHL speed. Of all the young defenders, he earned a spot. I want to see what he can do with it.

    Lias and Chytil are much younger and did not have a college career. The Rangers could determine that Hartford is the right learning environment for either to start the season. They won't do that will Pionk. That does not mean he is better or a finished product.
    No. I understood. Assuming there's nothing to learn at the lower levels is a mistake. He needs to learn how to be a pro and could learn that in the A with less pressure, but because the Rangers suck he'll likely learn that in the spotlight which is never an easy thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    No. I understood. Assuming there's nothing to learn at the lower levels is a mistake. He needs to learn how to be a pro and could learn that in the A with less pressure, but because the Rangers suck he'll likely learn that in the spotlight which is never an easy thing.
    I guess it is a judgement call, but Pionk isn't an 18 to 22 y/o kid, who is just getting used to being away from his parents and still growing out of his clothes. Pionk spent a few years in the USHL, then a few years at U of Minn, before playing the year at Hartford.

    I'm not sure what you specifically mean by 'learning to be a pro' when it comes to Pionk. In my judgement he has the maturity, smarts, attitude, work ethic, skating and fundamental skills to be a pro now. What he needs to work on at this point is not something he is going to get enough of in the minors. Playing and making consistently good decisions at NHL speed. Working within an NHL team structure and system. Covering and defending very talented NHL forwards, gap control and when to take offensive chances.

    Working on these things in the NHL will expedite his development. Besides his shot and shot accuracy, which he can work on anywhere, the other areas require a step-up in competition in order to make more than just marginal improvements.

    Lastly, as of now he seems to be the only D prospect on the team that is ready to fill a spot and we have massive openings on D. The only vets are Skjei, Staal and Shatty. D'Angelo and Shatty are the only right handers, both coming off injuries. Pionk played 28 NHL games, showed visible improvement during that span and averaged .5 points per. Who else should be in the mix for a roster spot on D? I'm sure you don't want to rush the younger Hajek or even Lindgren, neither have even played a minute in the A. Adding a vet in the off season still leaves 2 openings on D.
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    Sadly barring any off season acquisitions the d next season would be Skjei, Staal, Smith, Pionk, Shattenkirk and D'Angelo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJWantsTheCup View Post
    Sadly barring any off season acquisitions the d next season would be Skjei, Staal, Smith, Pionk, Shattenkirk and D'Angelo.
    And Smith hasn't earned the right to assume a spot in camp. He has something to prove and has to grab it by the balls. He needs to be in the best shape of his life, demonstrate extensive effort and discipline and ingratiate himself with the new staff. Show me. Until he does that I'm not penciling him in. And I loved Smith's play in the playoffs.

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