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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    Yes roster spots are precious, but we're talking about the backup goalie. I couldn't find a list of the other available backups at the time, but was there anyone significantly better then Pav? Same with Names. People are talking like Names is some guy the plucked off the street in Russia just for the hell of it. He's an NHL player and still has to preform. The fact he's Russian is a bonus.
    Yea, I'm not sure the point you're trying to make with this particular post, I'm just saying it's a huge reach to say they signed Pav because he's Czech. Your original post was that it was an instance where they signed on guy to make another guy comfortable. Last time I saw that happen with signing Nylander because Jagr liked him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    I thought his attitude or something with his personality has grown tiresome? Problem is overstating it? They moved on from him because of?
    Right, not a problem or cancer.

    AV was going no matter what, so he wasn’t moved because of his relationship with the coach. He also had his issues with Torts. You know as well as I do, even if we don’t like coach A or B, you can’t be the common denominator in every situation. Gotta look in the mirror at some point. Tbh, it seems like it’s just a weird situation all around. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Yea, I'm not sure the point you're trying to make with this particular post, I'm just saying it's a huge reach to say they signed Pav because he's Czech. Your original post was that it was an instance where they signed on guy to make another guy comfortable. Last time I saw that happen with signing Nylander because Jagr liked him.
    At least it wasnt Robert Lang.

    I dont remember that. I remember thinking - why tf are they signing this guy right before the lockout?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    Just last year the Rangers drafted Chytil, then signed Pavelec. The only player that could speak Czech to Chytil during all the summer camps...
    Reach. Chytil wasn't a lock to make the roster, and im not sure they were positive that he'd want to play in the AHL. Pav was more like the best option out there, as the Rangers were supposed to be looking for a goalie to cut back Lundqvists games played once again.

    Infact they were surprised that the language was a barrier, but it was only during video that it seemed like he would get confused.

    https://www.newsday.com/sports/hocke...ook-1.14224772
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Reach. Chytil wasn't a lock to make the roster, and im not sure they were positive that he'd want to play in the AHL. Pav was more like the best option out there, as the Rangers were supposed to be looking for a goalie to cut back Lundqvists games played once again.

    Infact they were surprised that the language was a barrier, but it was only during video that it seemed like he would get confused.

    https://www.newsday.com/sports/hocke...ook-1.14224772
    Pav was the best option out there? Come on, that's not even remotely true. He couldn't even hold down his job in Winnipeg. He had a .888 SV% and a 3.55 GAA last season and spent time in the A. He has a career save percentage of .907. He doesn't remotely have a reputation of stability. He was regarded as a project for Benoit Allaire. There were plenty of better options available such as McElhinney, Johnson, Bernier, Miller, etc. via free agency and likely others that could've been acquired via trade. Don't make things up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew a Penalty View Post
    Pav was the best option out there? Come on, that's not even remotely true. He couldn't even hold down his job in Winnipeg. He had a .888 SV% and a 3.55 GAA last season and spent time in the A. He has a career save percentage of .907. He doesn't remotely have a reputation of stability. He was regarded as a project for Benoit Allaire. There were plenty of better options available such as McElhinney, Johnson, Bernier, Miller, etc. via free agency and likely others that could've been acquired via trade. Don't make things up.
    Pav is the poster boy for a backup There maybe better options but at the price he worked for them. Under no circumstances was he brought here for chytil. Chytil was supposed to stay in his Czech league all season.

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    Yea, I find it hard to believe Pav was brought in for Chytil. Iím not saying that these type of things donít happen but this isnít a good example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew a Penalty View Post
    Pav was the best option out there? Come on, that's not even remotely true. He couldn't even hold down his job in Winnipeg. He had a .888 SV% and a 3.55 GAA last season and spent time in the A. He has a career save percentage of .907. He doesn't remotely have a reputation of stability. He was regarded as a project for Benoit Allaire. There were plenty of better options available such as McElhinney, Johnson, Bernier, Miller, etc. via free agency and likely others that could've been acquired via trade. Don't make things up.
    Guy was a starter up until last year. Id STILL sign him over the guys you named.The only available goalie that may have been deemed better at the time was Elliot, who also lost his starting gig and fell off the planet. Yes, Pav was a project, just like the last 2 backups.

    You just made up the thing about signing him to translate for Chytil. LoL.

    What I said was matter of opinion. I didn't say that they signed him to be a starter or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Guy was a starter up until last year. Id STILL sign him over the guys you named.The only available goalie that may have been deemed better at the time was Elliot, who also lost his starting gig and fell off the planet. Yes, Pav was a project, just like the last 2 backups.

    You just made up the thing about signing him to translate for Chytil. LoL.

    What I said was matter of opinion. I didn't say that they signed him to be a starter or anything.
    So because he was a starter, mind you not a good one, he's one of the better options? I fail to see how that makes sense. Talbot wasn't a project, he was a prospect that rose through the ranks. Raanta had a poor first season and then bounced back for Chicago. He hasn't gone below a .919 SV% since.

    I made up a thing about him signing to translate for Chytil? Where? I posted about Mazanec and said the exact opposite. Try reading my post fully.

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    I'd sign Pav for a mil. If at the end of training camp they decide that Georgie is ready and 25 games would be better for him than more in Hartford, they could probably trade Pav for 7th rounder or someone would take his modest contract off our hands on waivers. He had some excellent games last year. I was particularly impressed that he worked so hard to come back from being injured and look good after a long lay off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giacomin View Post
    Yzerman is very cagey. He is patient, as he demonstrated with Martin St Louis, Druin and in holding-out to the last minute in this deal. He likely found it easy to express inseparable love for every one of the prospects we inquired about. Beyond, Point or Gourde, he established Sergachev and later Foote as non-starters. In retrospect, it appears Stevie felt Howden, their 1st, plus another decent piece would be enough for McD. Or at least that was his pitch to NY mgmt.

    This was impressive and here's why. While in Florida for well over a month this winter, Yzerman made it clear that he was committed to go all-in for the Cup. The implied backstory was the Cup window is this year and next. That the current roster gets broken-up (due to contracts and cap) after that.

    So with everyone knowing he wants to make deadline additions, particularly on D, Yzerman still manages to convey to the Rangers that he could live w/o doing a deal until the final hours. Tells me this guy is playing high level chess.

    My takeaway? A deal for McD was gonna get done. Yet, Miller did not have to move at the deadline. The inclusion seems more rushed, more questionable, and less strategic.

    I did wanted Howden and their #1, plus I'm optimistic about Hajek. Unfortunately, I think we could have gotten all 3 assets for McD, but we'll never know. Glad we have them. Yzerman's cageyness combined with the Rangers rush to move on from JT, probably got Tampa Miller at a bargain. Not prying Katchouk or Raddysh away, instead of the conditional pick was a missed opportunity. We won't be able to judge this trade for a few years.
    Very astute analysis. Yzerman proved better at the art of the deal in his deadline deals with us in 2014 and 2018 whatever the future holds for the prospects. When we make our next substantial trade, I hope it's not with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew a Penalty View Post
    So because he was a starter, mind you not a good one, he's one of the better options? I fail to see how that makes sense. Talbot wasn't a project, he was a prospect that rose through the ranks. Raanta had a poor first season and then bounced back for Chicago. He hasn't gone below a .919 SV% since.

    I made up a thing about him signing to translate for Chytil? Where? I posted about Mazanec and said the exact opposite. Try reading my post fully.
    Sorry I confused your response with what LLTK said.

    Anyway, Pav being a starter should carry some weight. Kinda hard to land an NHL starting gig. With the Rangers constantly claiming every year that they are going to cut back Lundqvists games played, I'd think they would want someone with experience, and the capability to possibly take over in case of injury. Add in how cheap he came and it makes sense to me. More so than the notion that he was signed to be a translator, which is what I was responding to...

    IMO, Talbot seemed more like a product of Allaire. He seems to have hit a wall this year. I can agree with you that Raanta was always pretty good.

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