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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    It’s not a participation trophy though. If it were, everyone would get one. The loser of the bronze medal game gets cock, as well as all the teams that didn’t get to the quarters.
    For WJC, yes, but not for the Olympics.

    A little-known fact is that there are more awards than just the gold, silver and bronze. All athletes who place first through eighth receive an Olympic diploma. Every Olympic athlete receives a participation medal and diploma.
    http://www.columbiatribune.com/52cf8...04b9f6eda.html

    Reinforcing the fact that the silver isn't a participation medal LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    For WJC, yes, but not for the Olympics.

    http://www.columbiatribune.com/52cf8...04b9f6eda.html

    Reinforcing the fact that the silver isn't a participation medal LOL.
    I can see why they did that before professionals were allowed to participate. Making the olympics isn’t easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    If you're not a sore loser for throwing a tantrum on International TV after losing a game, what would make you a sore loser? Hahahaha

    Not that being a sore loser is necessarily a problem.

    Blame the system that promotes a code of gentlemanly conduct after a sporting match? What should the code of conduct be? Children that can't emotionally deal with losing should be sent off the ice immediately in the event of a loss?

    10,000 participants came before Lias and managed to conduct themselves with some dignity, but now the system that puts a premium on not being a spoiled douchebag is the problem?
    Gentlemanly conduct = shaking the hand of your opponent and recognizing them for a game well played. Gentlemanly conduct != pretending like you have won something after you just lost.

    Should we have something handed out to the Stanley Cup loser before the winning team gets the Cup handed to them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    Gentlemanly conduct = shaking the hand of your opponent and recognizing them for a game well played. Gentlemanly conduct != pretending like you have won something after you just lost.

    Should we have something handed out to the Stanley Cup loser before the winning team gets the Cup handed to them?
    Having to shake your opponents hand after losing a playoff series in any round is worse than getting a medal. The point is to not act like a dick, like Billy Smith.

    Also, the professional leagues where guys get paid don’t do it. It’s for tournaments, regional, and district recognition of getting that far. Last year we lost the best of 3 in districts to earn a trip to Nationals. The moment I’ll never forget as a coach, and a parent of the goaltender, was watching him drop to his knees at the buzzer realizing our run was over. After being consoled by his teammates while watching the other team celly, we lined up, shook hands, had our names announced, and took our silver medals and 2nd place hats with dignity. To make that worse, you shake hands 3 fuckin times because after the league officials call you up, you go down the opponents line and shake their hands, and vice versa. They had tears, but no one threw shit. Some wore their medals and hats walking out of the locker room, some didn’t, and that’s ok. No one threw them back on the ice, or in the garbage, unless it was done privately, which is also ok. It’s how you’re perceived, someone’s always watching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    Gentlemanly conduct = shaking the hand of your opponent and recognizing them for a game well played. Gentlemanly conduct != pretending like you have won something after you just lost.

    Should we have something handed out to the Stanley Cup loser before the winning team gets the Cup handed to them?
    Well, they do have a president's trophy... They have the Wales and Campbell trophies for winning the conferences... I guess they should stop giving these bullshit meaningless trophies out, because they mean nothing in the end if your team isn't crowned champion.

    Silver and bronze are runner up awards, and have been for ever. This isn't this new thing like participation awards that are somewhat equal to what the winner gets. I'm 41 and there have been participation awards for sports for as long as I can remember. The size and worth of the award was always the difference. NOT the fact that you get something for losing. The 5 inch trophy for losing was entirety shit on by the 2 foot tall 1st place trophy.

    Since when is 2nd place a participation award?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Gotta spread it around
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Well, they do have a president's trophy... They have the Wales and Campbell trophies for winning the conferences... I guess they should stop giving these bullshit meaningless trophies out, because they mean nothing in the end if your team isn't crowned champion.

    Silver and bronze are runner up awards, and have been for ever. This isn't this new thing like participation awards that are somewhat equal to what the winner gets. I'm 41 and there have been participation awards for sports for as long as I can remember. The size and worth of the award was always the difference. NOT the fact that you get something for losing. The 5 inch trophy for losing was entirety shit on by the 2 foot tall 1st place trophy.

    Since when is 2nd place a participation award?
    I missed the part where those trophies were handed out after losing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Having to shake your opponents hand after losing a playoff series in any round is worse than getting a medal. The point is to not act like a dick, like Billy Smith.

    Also, the professional leagues where guys get paid don’t do it. It’s for tournaments, regional, and district recognition of getting that far. Last year we lost the best of 3 in districts to earn a trip to Nationals. The moment I’ll never forget as a coach, and a parent of the goaltender, was watching him drop to his knees at the buzzer realizing our run was over. After being consoled by his teammates while watching the other team celly, we lined up, shook hands, had our names announced, and took our silver medals and 2nd place hats with dignity. To make that worse, you shake hands 3 fuckin times because after the league officials call you up, you go down the opponents line and shake their hands, and vice versa. They had tears, but no one threw shit. Some wore their medals and hats walking out of the locker room, some didn’t, and that’s ok. No one threw them back on the ice, or in the garbage, unless it was done privately, which is also ok. It’s how you’re perceived, someone’s always watching.

    Maybe true, but that's not the point at all.

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    Runner up awards is not the same as participation awards. Also, the platform matters. A league in any sport at any age with a playoff format shouldn’t be giving out anything to the teams that sucked. When it’s an international event or invite, you’ve already separated yourself from the lesser competitors in your sport from your area, region, state, country, etc ...
    That’s why a tournament of that magnitude acknowledges the runner ups.
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    You're not getting an award for participating and losing.

    You're getting recognition for everyone you beat to be able to play for gold.

    The notion that if you lose a gold medal game you should walk off hanging your head with nothing is crazy to me.

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    Its a silver medal in the WJC for a kid that knows he will be playing in the NHL. It means nothing to him.

    Would you guys react this way if NHL gave out silver medals for the losing SCF team and Lundqvist threw his away in 2014? I seriously doubt that.

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    They don't, and he didn't. So it doesn't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc View Post
    Its a silver medal in the WJC for a kid that knows he will be playing in the NHL. It means nothing to him.

    Would you guys react this way if NHL gave out silver medals for the losing SCF team and Lundqvist threw his away in 2014? I seriously doubt that.
    There’s really not much of a difference between that and his death stares after a goal, which he’s been criticized for a million times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    They don't, and he didn't. So it doesn't matter.
    Because silver medals are dumb, and NHL knows that pro athletes don't care about 2nd places. Neither did Lias.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    There’s really not much of a difference between that and his death stares after a goal, which he’s been criticized for a million times.
    There's really nothing similar with that and Lias throwing the medal. Him staring down a teammate for doing a bad job is not the same as Lias throwing away a medal he felt was useless to him.

    But all facts aside, in theory - IF they gave out silver medals for the finals losers and Hank threw it away, no one would react like this.

    Or if a player on the winning team threw his gold medal to a fan. Is that also disrespecting the other teams and players?

    Its just a silly and stupid thing to even argue. He was sad, angry and dissapointed because he lost. Then they gave him a medal/prize for the game he just lost. He felt it was stupid and took it off and threw away. Whats wrong with that?

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    Other than the act of throwing away his medal is not something you want to show kids, you want them to see "good sportsmanship," it means nothing. The IIHF wants to see 'respect for the game' -- whatever that means. Carry on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc View Post
    Because silver medals are dumb, and NHL knows that pro athletes don't care about 2nd places. Neither did Lias.



    There's really nothing similar with that and Lias throwing the medal. Him staring down a teammate for doing a bad job is not the same as Lias throwing away a medal he felt was useless to him.

    But all facts aside, in theory - IF they gave out silver medals for the finals losers and Hank threw it away, no one would react like this.

    Or if a player on the winning team threw his gold medal to a fan. Is that also disrespecting the other teams and players?

    Its just a silly and stupid thing to even argue. He was sad, angry and dissapointed because he lost. Then they gave him a medal/prize for the game he just lost. He felt it was stupid and took it off and threw away. Whats wrong with that?
    I would certainly call Hank a whiney bitch if he did that.

    I do kind of love how all of a sudden, silver medals are stupid. That's brand spanking new opinion that has never been brought up before. But hey, if it helps the narrative...

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    In hockey there has always been 1 winner and many losers.

    There wasn't much love around here for the "silver" AV got us in 2014.

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    Professional sports and international tournaments are completely unrelated.

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    How? Its the exact same players playing. Lias is a proffesional player, he is used to either win or lose. Not to get medals/prizes for losing a game.

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    I think you should check how many international tournaments he's played in before claiming to know what he's "used to".

    Pointless to keep going back and forth here.

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