Page 1 of 8 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 157

Thread: Rangers’ Should Alter Draft Lottery Fate

  1. #1
    If you ain't first, you're last! BSBH Legend
    Phil in Absentia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Brooklyn, NY
    Posts
    84,960
    Rep Power
    430

    Rangers’ Should Alter Draft Lottery Fate

    A shot at first overall—a right earned by the lowly Buffalo Sabres—is as long a shot as there can be. For a club as down on their luck as the Sabres have been for years, the opportunity to draft superstar defenseman Rasmus Dahlin this summer is one they’re unlikely to pass on. Not even for the collection of later picks the Rangers could offer, including the Boston Bruins and Tampa Bay Lightning’s selections this year.

    Equally unlikely, though to lesser degrees, is the idea of acquiring the ability to select either Andrei Svechnikov or Filip Zadina, who should be chosen with the second and third-overall picks owned by the Carolina Hurricanes and Montréal Canadiens respectively. Both teams are starving for star-quality offensive players to build around – an issue of more importance than selling either stud prospect for whatever collection of assets the Blueshirts might offer.

    But beyond these essentially immovable positions, there could lie an opportunity to achieve Gorton’s goal of improving his club’s chance at an impact prospect. “We’ll have various conversations leading into the draft,” said Gorton, who acquired the seventh overall pick from the Coyotes last year in a draft day blockbuster trade. “There are a number of different scenarios we’ll consider.”

    Two of those scenarios are likely to involve the Ottawa Senators and Arizona Coyotes—franchises the Rangers are familiar trading with—who each secured the fourth and fifth overall spots respectively. Either could offer Gorton and his Rangers a path to a top-five pick. One they could use to select from a group of quality youngsters just shy of the Dahlin-, Svechnikov-, or Zadina-types, but still more valuable than the names expected to fall to the nine hole.

    That group should include names like forward Oliver Wahlstrom, and defensemen Adam Boqvist, Evan Bouchard, Noah Dobson, and Quinn Hughes. Not to mention Brady Tkachuk. Logically, one of those six players will fall to the Rangers should they stick with the ninth pick, but if they really wish to select one of them more than any other, they’d need to move up to assure they get their man.

    For players like Bouchard, Hughes, and Boqvist, that’s a price probably worth paying. Regarding Tkachuk, however, it’s unclear if paying the price to move up four or five slots to select him would ultimately be worth it. His combination of size, strength, and physicality are surely valuable, but perhaps not at the cost of passing up on more skilled options.
    https://thehockeywriters.com/new-yor...lottery-moves/

    --

    It might feel like fence sitting, but I'd almost be equally content with moving up (barring cost) to select someone they really like who they don't think will fall to nine (Hughes, Bouchard, or Boqvist most likely) or just making three selections in the first round. BOS and TBL picks aren't going to be great, but this is feeling like the deepest draft in years.
    Hidden Content

    "Everyone says you should be a good loser. If you’re a good loser, you’re a loser."
    - John Tortorella


    "I've always said, I'd rather tame a tiger than paint stripes on a kitty cat."
    - Dean Lombardi


    "Don't take refuge in the false security of consensus, and the feeling that whatever
    you think you'e bound to be okay, because you're in the safely moral majority."

    - Christopher Hitchens

  2. #2
    Senior Member Bantam Division
    Fatfrancesa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Posts
    1,038
    Rep Power
    27
    Stay put and make good picks.

  3. #3
    Very Large Member BSBH Prospect
    Vodka Drunkenski's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    14,815
    Rep Power
    139
    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    Stay put and make good picks.
    I’m with you, enough with trying to trade. Make the picks
    Hidden Content

    Let's Go Rangers!

  4. #4
    If you ain't first, you're last! BSBH Legend
    Phil in Absentia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Brooklyn, NY
    Posts
    84,960
    Rep Power
    430
    It doesn't hurt to inquire about the price of moving up. The fact of the matter is NHL viability dramatically decreases as the first round ends and as the later rounds continue. So if you can get your way into the top-five by moving, say, the 9th, a player, and an extra second, it's probably worth it. It just depends who they take with that pick.


    Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
    Hidden Content

    "Everyone says you should be a good loser. If you’re a good loser, you’re a loser."
    - John Tortorella


    "I've always said, I'd rather tame a tiger than paint stripes on a kitty cat."
    - Dean Lombardi


    "Don't take refuge in the false security of consensus, and the feeling that whatever
    you think you'e bound to be okay, because you're in the safely moral majority."

    - Christopher Hitchens

  5. #5
    ImagineAcceptingTheTruth BSBH Prospect
    Parsley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Philadelphia suburbs
    Posts
    10,725
    Rep Power
    102
    I'd move up IF it only cost a current roster player, not picks.

  6. #6
    Senior Member Junior Division
    The Dude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    6,227
    Rep Power
    70
    I move up for Tkachuk more so than the other names. I'd say his skill level is almost in line with the "more skilled options" but adds that missing snarl and is probably closer to being ready for the league than the other options (I base this on nothing but him being NA)

    If anyone is interested in trading out of that 4,5,6 slot, I think Tkachuk is the no brainer. I see it costing a shit load though. At least the 9th pick and one of the other 1st as well as a young player. Hopefully Hayes.

  7. #7
    Very Large Member BSBH Prospect
    Vodka Drunkenski's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    14,815
    Rep Power
    139
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    It doesn't hurt to inquire about the price of moving up. The fact of the matter is NHL viability dramatically decreases as the first round ends and as the later rounds continue. So if you can get your way into the top-five by moving, say, the 9th, a player, and an extra second, it's probably worth it. It just depends who they take with that pick.


    Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
    I think it will take more than that to move up
    Hidden Content

    Let's Go Rangers!

  8. #8
    Senior Member Pee-Wee Division pws85nyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Toronto, ON
    Posts
    607
    Rep Power
    17
    If we trade with Ottawa, it would cost Bobby Ryan's contract, most likely. They are eager to shed $$$, hence the Phaneuf-Gaborik trade. We have had our way with Phoenix previously, so outside of Ottawa I don't see a viable trade partner to move up, personally. All the other teams need as much help as we do.


    Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk

  9. #9
    Senior Member Bantam Division
    Fatfrancesa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Posts
    1,038
    Rep Power
    27
    The only reason to trade up is because they have identified a player they have to have. Who is that player? Far as I can tell there is about five guys depending on who you ask. Is Tkachuk the guy? If so that trade has to be made draft day when the pick you are trading for is on the clock and that player is still sitting there.

    If the rangers were to move up I’d be more moving the two late firsts to try and get into the top 15 again. There are a lot of huge upside picks between 10-20.

    To be honest though I’m not sure Tkachuk or whomever is picked at 4 or 5 is going to better than wahlstrom or Farabee at 9. I’d rather have the extra lottery ticket at 28.

  10. #10
    //reported Junior Division
    phillyb™'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Chicago
    Posts
    9,104
    Rep Power
    83
    #moveupfortkachuk
    LGR!

  11. #11
    Senior Member Squirt Division Sod16's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2017
    Location
    Minneapolis
    Posts
    432
    Rep Power
    15
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia;926327The fact of the matter is NHL viability dramatically decreases as the first round ends and as the later rounds continue.


    Sent from my iPhone using [url=http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=92212
    Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk[/url]
    Exactly, and every NHL GM is well aware of this, which is why moving up for anything close to a reasonable price is improbable. In terms of moving up, trading the 27th and 30th picks for the 20th might be something you want to do if, when you get to about the 19th pick, there is a player you really have the hots for who is still available but is unlikely to still be around at 27. Another team might be thinking that your chances of getting a single good NHL player with the 27th and 30th picks is better than if you just had the 20th. In short, finding a way to package the two late first round picks to get perhaps a mid first rounder is probably more realistic than finding a way to turn the No. 9 into a 3, 4 or 5.

  12. #12
    Senior Member Midget Division
    Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    2,777
    Rep Power
    22
    Boston/Tampa's pick, Devils' 2nd, Hayes for 4th OA, Ryan.

    Pick Zadina/Tkachuk with the 4th, Wahlstrom or one of the D with the 9th and BPA with the rest.

    I guess Ryan's contract is too bad for us to take on, will be a lot of money tied up in Ryan, Smith, Staal and Hank.

  13. #13
    Senior Member Mite Division Rosenvold's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Posts
    101
    Rep Power
    6
    The way I see it, there are two good spots to be in.

    1) 4th/5th overall - you're outside the top-4 but you can take either Boqvist or Tkachuk. If you're really lucky, Zadina or Svechnikov might even drop to 4th.
    2) 10th/11th overall - the players from around 6th-11th seem very equal. Dobson, Wahlstrom, Smith, Bouchard, Hughes, Veleno. You could argue that it doesn't matter which one of those you get, and thus the best value is in the outskirts. You won't have the luxury of choosing between them, but you simply pick whomever falls to 10th/11th.

    So I see two moving scenarios - either you move for Arizona or Ottawa's picks before the draft OR you make a move at the draft if the Islanders really want a certain guy at 9th.

    I have a feeling that the Rangers want Tkachuk. He just really seems like the kind of guy they would like. I think they would have picked him at 2nd OA, even. Moving up to 4th to get him makes a lot of sense IMO.

  14. #14
    Senior Member Midget Division
    Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    2,777
    Rep Power
    22
    The more I think about it, Kotkaniemi sounds more and more like our pick.

    Just like Lias and Filip. Playing in his home country against pros, one of the younger players in the draft and a little off the boards at #9 in real Rangers fashion. Another C tho, would leave us with 4 first round center prospects (Lias, Chytil, Howden, Kotka).

    I dont know, just dont fuck this up Gorton.

  15. #15
    Senior Member Pee-Wee Division
    Gravesy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2018
    Posts
    923
    Rep Power
    41
    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenvold View Post
    The way I see it, there are two good spots to be in.

    1) 4th/5th overall - you're outside the top-4 but you can take either Boqvist or Tkachuk. If you're really lucky, Zadina or Svechnikov might even drop to 4th.
    2) 10th/11th overall - the players from around 6th-11th seem very equal. Dobson, Wahlstrom, Smith, Bouchard, Hughes, Veleno. You could argue that it doesn't matter which one of those you get, and thus the best value is in the outskirts. You won't have the luxury of choosing between them, but you simply pick whomever falls to 10th/11th.

    So I see two moving scenarios - either you move for Arizona or Ottawa's picks before the draft OR you make a move at the draft if the Islanders really want a certain guy at 9th.

    I have a feeling that the Rangers want Tkachuk. He just really seems like the kind of guy they would like. I think they would have picked him at 2nd OA, even. Moving up to 4th to get him makes a lot of sense IMO.
    I'd go with this. I really want Tkachuk, that's no secret, but I think the only way here is trading for 4th or 5th.
    6/7/8 is much of a muchness and will cost a lot more than it's worth.

  16. #16
    Senior Member Mite Division Rosenvold's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Posts
    101
    Rep Power
    6
    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesy View Post
    I'd go with this. I really want Tkachuk, that's no secret, but I think the only way here is trading for 4th or 5th.
    6/7/8 is much of a muchness and will cost a lot more than it's worth.
    Yeah, exactly. I think the scenarios are:

    Dahlin: 1
    Svechnikov: 2-3
    Zadina: 2-4
    Tkachuk: 2-5
    Boqvist: 4-5

    So with the 4th pick you are very likely choosing between two of Zadina, Tkachuk and Boqvist. I would easily give up a late 1st to put myself in that position, but more than likely, Ottawa sees it the same way.

  17. #17
    Senior Member Pee-Wee Division
    Gravesy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2018
    Posts
    923
    Rep Power
    41
    I'd be willing to give up a fair bit for that 4th pick.
    Certainly a late pick and possibly a roster player.

  18. #18
    HNIC BSBH Legend
    Pete's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    76,096
    Rep Power
    504
    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenvold View Post
    The way I see it, there are two good spots to be in.

    1) 4th/5th overall - you're outside the top-4 but you can take either Boqvist or Tkachuk. If you're really lucky, Zadina or Svechnikov might even drop to 4th.
    2) 10th/11th overall - the players from around 6th-11th seem very equal. Dobson, Wahlstrom, Smith, Bouchard, Hughes, Veleno. You could argue that it doesn't matter which one of those you get, and thus the best value is in the outskirts. You won't have the luxury of choosing between them, but you simply pick whomever falls to 10th/11th.

    So I see two moving scenarios - either you move for Arizona or Ottawa's picks before the draft OR you make a move at the draft if the Islanders really want a certain guy at 9th.

    I have a feeling that the Rangers want Tkachuk. He just really seems like the kind of guy they would like. I think they would have picked him at 2nd OA, even. Moving up to 4th to get him makes a lot of sense IMO.
    I think the team that takes Tkachuk at 4 might be disappointed.

    Giving up even more for the right to the 4 pick to take him is overkill.

  19. #19
    Senior Member Bantam Division
    Fatfrancesa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Posts
    1,038
    Rep Power
    27
    Of course the isles could package the 11 and 12 for the 4. I would think that would be. Far better offer then we can give

  20. #20
    Senior Member Pee-Wee Division
    Gravesy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2018
    Posts
    923
    Rep Power
    41
    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    I think the team that takes Tkachuk at 4 might be disappointed.

    Giving up even more for the right to the 4 pick to take him is overkill.
    Don't take this the wrong way as I'm not trying to be a dick, but what do you know that literally every single scout worth his salt doesn't?

Page 1 of 8 123 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •