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    Quote Originally Posted by Parsley View Post
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    Shepard, Engram and the 17th pick
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vodka Drunkenski View Post
    Shepard, Engram and the 17th pick
    And Barkley. One of the best pass catching RBs in the game. We've got Barry Sanders with hands in the backfield and people are losing their shit about trading a diva, oft-injured, overpaid WR.

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    2018-2019 NY GIANTS DISCUSSION

    Eh.....Iím pissed. I thought I saw where this franchise was going but now I donít see it. This was the wrong time to trade OBJ. It should have happened last year or in a few years if he didnít gel with the new QB.

    This timing blows.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    And Barkley. One of the best pass catching RBs in the game. We've got Barry Sanders with hands in the backfield and people are losing their shit about trading a diva, oft-injured, overpaid WR.
    Barkley will get destroyed next season. Theyíll
    Stack the box and snuff him out. Heíll probably end up injured from overuse.


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    So pissed. OBJ to Browns. Landon Collins to Redskins. Oliver Vernon to Browns. WTF. Elite players at their positions that you cannot replace with draft picks. Epic fail.
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    Bill Barnwell, ESPN eviscerates the Giants for the OBJ trade
    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...nts-browns-won

    "Months after paying him a $20 million signing bonus, they traded one of the league's best young players at any position to the Browns for the sort of offer the computer would reject in a video game."
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    Quote Originally Posted by fletch View Post
    Bill Barnwell, ESPN eviscerates the Giants for the OBJ trade
    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...nts-browns-won

    "Months after paying him a $20 million signing bonus, they traded one of the league's best young players at any position to the Browns for the sort of offer the computer would reject in a video game."
    Itís a bitter pill to swallow, especially as a huge OBJ fan. I donít want to repeat much of what is already in this article, so Iíll just say this:

    Gettleman has yet to do something for this team that shows a clear vision. Those talking about liking this move are putting a lot of faith in a man that has yet to do something worthwhile. His FA signings have been crap, with only Solder left of the bunch. Iím hoping he turns it around. One things for sure, this upcoming draft is crucial. Considering what the roster looks like right now, they need a fargin homerun.

    Man, Iím pissed lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vodka Drunkenski View Post
    I like the return, he needed to go
    agree,the giants sold high.
    now they could draft their qb and needs with 'll the draft picks

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    1st rounder, 3rd rounder, and a young safety for an often injured absolute egomaniac.

    If people canít see that is the best youíre going to get for, no matter how talented he may be and that they are in a full rebuild mode , I donít know what else to say but I still love you
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    Thoughts after sleeping on it:

    1) The Giants don't need to force a QB in this draft. If everyone is so confident that Eli is finished, they'll be in just as good, if not better, of a position in the 2020 draft than this year to get an impact QB. Not only draft wise, but also capwise. They have something like 90m in cap space slated for next year. I see a lot of people on the interwebz whining about dead cap space. That is for one season, and it is extremely shortsighted to judge the trade based on 1 year of having a bad cap. The Giants were going nowhere with the team as it was constructed.

    2) if they can sign Darryl Williams, then the OL is complete. The offense would be missing a little WR depth, but they can remedy that cheap through FA and the draft. From a receiving standpoint, I've seen a lot of teams do just fine with far less offensive talent than Shepherd, Engram, and Barkley.

    3) Take best player available with every pick in the draft. I have read this is a defense heavy draft, which is great because they need defense far more than anything else with the OL complete. I would not be surprised if the best player available aligns with the Giants need here.

    4) If they like a QB, I don't see them moving mountains to get one. If one falls into their laps at either pick (Haskins at 6? Jones at 17?), perhaps they take one. It simply doesn't make sense to trade up if you plan on having another high pick next year. There's too many defensive holes for this team to be much better, if at all, than last year.

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    2018-2019 NY GIANTS DISCUSSION

    My thoughts...

    1. Cut Eli.
    2. Sign a vet QB (very few left) for a year or two.
    3. Trade multiple picks, maybe even the #17 for Rosen.
    4. Draft DE at #6
    5. If no trade goes through for Rosen, draft BPA, potentially a WR at #17
    6. Load up on D rest of draft

    Next season is shot and after I was thinking they had a chance for 8-8 or 9-7, I now see 4-12.

    That will allow them the chance at a top QB in 2020. With or without Rosen they will suck this year and if they trade for him I wouldnít mind still drafting a 2020 QB to compete with him.


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    Worst moves would be trading up for any 2019 QB. if Haskins falls to 6 it will be tough to pass on him. Iíd be fine with it I guess. Need D then at 17 and beyond.

    What is the list of free agent WR? Anyone we can snag at a good price with ďsolidĒ return. This year is shot either way. They can live with no #1 WR.


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    Wannabe GMS on the move. Their plate must be full what with all the decisions pending to be made by the NYR.

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    I agree with a lot of this except for 3. I've seen more that one article that says Rosen isn't bringing back a 1st. That's if the Cardinals are trading him.

    I'm not sure how I feel about the trade but a lot depends on the next move or two. Including 2 first round picks that you can't swing and miss on now.

    1. Cut Eli.
    2. Sign a vet QB (very few left) for a year or two.
    3. Trade multiple picks, maybe even the #17 for Rosen.
    4. Draft DE at #6
    5. If no trade goes through for Rosen, draft BPA, potentially a WR at #17
    6. Load up on D rest of draft
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    im by no means sold on gettlemen as a gm nor shurmur as HQ yet, however compared to the AB trade we did o.k. on this, other than moving him last year which i wanted to do, whereby you could have taken a QB and Barkley. (oh without the 17 mln of dead money).

    Gettlemen whiffed on the 1st off season aquisitions, specifically the RB stewart and the OG omameh, one hurt the other cut.

    With the exception of QB Lauletta, I thought he did a really solid job in the draft. RJ McIntosh was hurt until mid nov and came back to end the year with 6 tackles. The other picks, one all world have plenty of upside.

    there were 35 new players on last years roster.

    I'm unhappy with the Collins move only insofar that they should have moved him last year.

    As to OBJ, you essentially get two first rounders back and a third. Quite a haul.

    The guard trade for Vernon was needed as well and it looks as if the back end of the secondary is o.k.

    Obviously much work to be done and you need to figure out the QB pos long term.

    in the end this story is still being written. hard to grade it at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slobberknocker View Post
    im by no means sold on gentlemen as a gm nor Shurmur as HQ yet, however, compared to the AB trade we did o.k. on this, other than moving him last year which I wanted to do, whereby you could have taken a QB and Barkley. (oh without the 17 mln of dead money).

    Gettlemen whiffed on the 1st offseason acquisitions, specifically the RB Stewart and the OG omameh, one hurt the other cut.

    With the exception of QB Lauletta, I thought he did a really solid job in the draft. RJ McIntosh was hurt until mid-Nov and came back to end the year with 6 tackles. The other picks, one all world have plenty of upsides.

    there were 35 new players on last years roster.

    I'm unhappy with the Collins move only insofar that they should have moved him last year.

    As to OBJ, you essentially get two first rounders back and a third. Quite a haul.

    The guard trade for Vernon was needed as well and it looks as if the back end of the secondary is o.k.

    Obviously much work to be done and you need to figure out the QB pos long term.

    in the end, this story is still being written. hard to grade it at the moment.
    We also got a replacement player at Safety in Jabril Peppers. We needed help in the defensive backfield and Jabril is a start for improving this defense.

    As for the Offense, Eli needed to go (which was disappointing to me since going further might taint his legacy), so we could get a veteran QB in Foles (as you mentioned) and draft a QB whom can be groomed by our veteran QBs (be it Eli or another QB in free agency).
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    Hearing on Kay show that OBJ is already looking to redo his contract, heard the same thing last night on the Network
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vodka Drunkenski View Post
    Hearing on Kay show that OBJ is already looking to redo his contract, heard the same thing last night on the Network
    He does. Basically wants exactly what the Raiders did with Brown. More money, keeps contract length the same.

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    Good riddance to a bon-afide moron!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vodka Drunkenski View Post
    Hearing on Kay show that OBJ is already looking to redo his contract, heard the same thing last night on the Network
    Quote Originally Posted by Lt. Dan View Post
    He does. Basically wants exactly what the Raiders did with Brown. More money, keeps contract length the same.
    This shit is why he isn't a Giant anymore. Dudes a fucking cancer. Its all "me me me".

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