Rangers Accelerated Rebuild is Dangerously Ambitious

[ThirtyONE]

I dont want to move Hayes. Would rather move Zibanejad, especially if we are bringing in a center and a RH shooter.

I don't understand people wanting to hang on to Hayes. Not just you but others have said the same. I don't get it. What's to like about him? Defense? You can get that anywhere.

[josh]

I don't understand people wanting to hang on to Hayes. Not just you but others have said the same. I don't get it. What's to like about him? Defense? You can get that anywhere.

Simply put, he out produces Zibanejad in ever aspect, other than the PP. Comparing ES or PK numbers between the two is pretty telling, including +/-
For comparison, he put up 44 points this season (45, 39, 49 previously). Artem Anisimov's top season was 45 points, playing with Patrick Kane.
And Hayes, unlike Zibs, can play on any line. 1st or 4th.

I dont see either being a top-line guy for the next few years, so I really look at that versatility.

[jsrangers]

ok with moving both Hayes and Vecsey both have underwhelmed plus they both have stupid looks on their faces imo . Zib still has a lot to prove as well, he could start by ditching the frosted tips that were maybe cool in the late 80's.

[torontonyr]

This is what I’m hearing:
They’re looking to move Vesey and Hayes

Kovy 3 mill
Tavares 10 ( will push for JT the hardest )
Karlsson 10 ( 2019-20 )

IIRC you have some ties to the org?

[josh]

No

[Pete]

Simply put, he out produces Zibanejad in ever aspect, other than the PP. Comparing ES or PK numbers between the two is pretty telling, including +/-
For comparison, he put up 44 points this season (45, 39, 49 previously). Artem Anisimov's top season was 45 points, playing with Patrick Kane.
And Hayes, unlike Zibs, can play on any line. 1st or 4th.

I dont see either being a top-line guy for the next few years, so I really look at that versatility.

"Simply put, I have a hard-on for Zibenajad, therefore I will try to paint his as useless as humanly possible."

Don't know what Anisimov has to do with it, but at least acknowledge that 45 points was in 64 games...

[Phil in Absentia]

Zibanejad P/GP:

2017-18 - 0.65
2016-17 - 0.66
2015-16 - 0.63
2014-15 - 0.58

Anisomov P/GP:

2017-18 - 0.43
2016-17 - 0.70
2015-16 - 0.55
2014-15 - 0.52

I'll take Zibanejad every day of the week.


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[josh]

Phil, sorry. The comparisons are based off Hayes.

[josh]

"Simply put, I have a hard-on for Zibenajad, therefore I will try to paint his as useless as humanly possible."

Don't know what Anisimov has to do with it, but at least acknowledge that 45 points was in 64 games...

I think most would say AA is a solid 2C. Hayes is better, playing with less.

[Pete]

I think most would say AA is a solid 2C. Hayes is better, playing with less.

Oh, didn't realize that's where you were going.

Hayes reminds me of Jordan Staal. Exceled playing behind some guys but will never carry the load in a top 6 role.

But that's no reason to trade him. Move Zib to wing.

[josh]

Oh, didn't realize that's where you were going.

Hayes reminds me of Jordan Staal. Exceled playing behind some guys but will never carry the load in a top 6 role.

But that's no reason to trade him. Move Zib to wing.

I'm a huge proponent of moving Zib to wing... But with the other moves mentioned, it makes him expendable... In that scenario

[Pete]

I'm a huge proponent of moving Zib to wing... But with the other moves mentioned, it makes him expendable... In that scenario

He's locked into a reasonable deal and a year younger than Hayes.

Plus a right shot. Kovalchuk doesn't make him expendable.

[josh]

If Zib isn’t getting #1 PP time and he’s not getting first line minutes, when’s he getting his points?

[Long live the King]

If Zib isn’t getting #1 PP time and he’s not getting first line minutes, when’s he getting his points?

If say, Kovalchuck - Tavares - Chytil was our first line, and Kreider - Zib - Buch was our second line, and Zib was on the #2 PP, he'd still get his points.

[jsrangers]

hope there's a plan B for the first line because there's three question marks.

[torontonyr]

Zib might be the perfect 2nd line C.

[Pete]

I'm still trying to figure out why we need kovalchuk if we have Zib on RW.

[josh]

If say, Kovalchuck - Tavares - Chytil was our first line, and Kreider - Zib - Buch was our second line, and Zib was on the #2 PP, he'd still get his points.

Sure, not terrible.

IMO, we need to get Mika on the wing. Let him rip. Let him focus on scoring. That’s where he will be the most beneficial to the team.

But more importantly, we need a 1C, and it’s not him.

[Phil in Absentia]

I'm still trying to figure out why we need kovalchuk if we have Zib on RW.

Kovalchuk is LW.


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[josh]

I’d prefer Zibanejad on the left. One timer . How he plays on the pp.