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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    But Karlsson wants out now, so if he gets moved elsewhere, that team will lock him up.
    I'm not saying it won't happen, but the Rangers would about incredibly stupid to give up what it would take to get him (and the Ryan contract), when they can get him for nothing next summer.

    What I’m about to post right now may seem outrageous, but I hear his wife is not exactly well liked by the other wives and or girlfriends. Some may not believe that’s a reason to ask to be traded, but personal off the ice relationships, or lack there of, definitely plays a role. At the younger levels players avoid others because of parents, it just expands to wives and gfs as they get older.
    They just lost a child, you'd think these bitches would have some empathy.

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    So much for building through the draft
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    Zero interest in trading for Karlsson, and as mentioned....Sens wonít be interested in players such as Hayes and Zucc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    I'm not saying it won't happen, but the Rangers would about incredibly stupid to give up what it would take to get him (and the Ryan contract), when they can get him for nothing next summer.

    They just lost a child, you'd think these bitches would have some empathy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vodka Drunkenski View Post
    So much for building through the draft
    They will, but all contenders have studs. The Rangers aren’t going to wait too see if any of their picks end up to be super talents. Can’t blame em, really.
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    Rangers Accelerated Rebuild is Dangerously Ambitious

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    They will, but all contenders have studs. The Rangers arenít going to wait too see if any of their picks end up to be super talents. Canít blame em, really.
    I agree but I donít think they are close to contending to make a signing and or trade like these right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vodka Drunkenski View Post
    I agree but I don’t think they are close to contending to make a signing and or trade like these right now.
    Hard to say because it sounds like they're planning on building a whole new team from scratch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    Hard to say because it sounds like they're planning on building a whole new team from scratch.
    Yup, we’ll see how it goes.
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    Karlsson makes the least sense. So much risk in long monster contract, given the significant injury that he hasn't completely recovered from. Then to give up all those rebuilding assets and kill all cap flexibility? Is Sather getting ambitious and stirring up trouble? Ottawa wants a bunch of cheap valuable assets. Think we really should be a buyer? How does this make fucking sense?

    I'd rather keep all our picks, young assets and cap flexibility and draft Adam Boqvist.
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    It doesn’t make any sense. It’s typical rangers nonsense. I hear the rumor and dismiss it as the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Then McKenzie and Friedman come out and say they are looking at Karlsson. Just when you think we may finally have an adult running things you hear shit like this. Seriously being the gm of the rangers is like playing a video game except you can’t just star over by pressing a button.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    It doesn’t make any sense. It’s typical rangers nonsense. I hear the rumor and dismiss it as the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Then McKenzie and Friedman come out and say they are looking at Karlsson. Just when you think we may finally have an adult running things you hear shit like this. Seriously being the gm of the rangers is like playing a video game except you can’t just star over by pressing a button.
    I don't think anyone is advocating trading the #8 pick or anything like that. If they want some of our bad players, they can have them. It's not worth getting worked up about because we don't even have any rumors of what might be offered. Hayes, Vesey, Zucc, DeAngelo, whoever. I don't care what roster players go the other way. I'm not too worried about them trading picks. Obviously, I think they will trade a few at the draft but I think they'll be picking high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    I don't think anyone is advocating trading the #8 pick or anything like that. If they want some of our bad players, they can have them. It's not worth getting worked up about because we don't even have any rumors of what might be offered. Hayes, Vesey, Zucc, DeAngelo, whoever. I don't care what roster players go the other way. I'm not too worried about them trading picks. Obviously, I think they will trade a few at the draft but I think they'll be picking high.
    Well Ottawa is not going to want any RFAs or real salary, so this is not going to work. So it will require at least our #8 plus 2 other hot young assets or both our later 1sts instead of #8. Not to mention, the issue of taking Ryan's salary.

    The whole shindig is gonna cost too much. Not the way to build this time. Plus, there is a better solution. I'm not inclined to trade Hayes, especially with so many other assets to trade. But if one wants to trade Hayes and Zuc and Shat'Angelo and whoever plus a late 1 or 2nd, we still can.

    There will be teams struggling with the cap in the offseason, let's be one of the few teams able to pounce on Panarin. There will be teams who were not in the market at the deadline willing to offer us a good return for guys that our new coach (and mgmt) thinks does not fit.

    Also, some trading will have to be done in season. Shatty probably needs to show he's healthy. Vesey needs a chance with a new coach. He also needs to raise his value, if we want anything worthwhile in return. Hayes may have erased any doubt at the end of the season, but I expect his trade value will be better in January than currently. I'm not giving away an excellent young 3C. Now if Calgary comes seeking Hayes, with Hamilton as a possibility, if we add a later 1st and the Devils 2nd, then we have to think hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giacomin View Post
    Well Ottawa is not going to want any RFAs or real salary, so this is not going to work. So it will require at least our #8 plus 2 other hot young assets or both our later 1sts instead of #8. It is gonna cost too much, not the way to build this time. Plus, there is a better solution. I'm not inclined to trade Hayes, especially with so many other assets to trade. But if one wants to trade Hayes and Zuc and Shat'Angelo and whoever plus a late 1 or 2nd, we still can.

    There will be teams struggling with the cap in the offseason, let's be one of the few teams able to pounce on Panarin. There will be teams who were not in the market at the deadline willing to offer us a good return for guys that our new coach (and mgmt) thinks does not fit.

    Also, some trading will have to be done in season. Shatty probably needs to show he's healthy. Vesey needs a chance with a new coach. He also needs to raise his value, if we want anything worthwhile in return. Hayes may have erased any doubt at the end of the season, but I expect his trade value will be better in January than currently. I'm not giving away an excellent young 3C. Now if Calgary comes seeking Hayes and Hamilton is a possibility, if we add a 1st, then we have to think hard.
    I don't think we think hard about Hayes. He's an extra forward if the Rangers do in fact sign Tavares. He raised his value with his post-deadline goal outburst so this might be the highest his value ever will be.

    Really though, there's just too many moving pieces at the moment. Let's wait to see what happens with the lottery and Kovalchuck. Because if we're picking #1 overall, there's no chance they'll go after Karlsson.
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    I'm not exactly sure we call Hayes an extra forward. He's a shutdown Center who can score 20 goals and put up 50 plus points. That's not exactly easy to find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    I'm not exactly sure we call Hayes an extra forward. He's a shutdown Center who can score 20 goals and put up 50 plus points. That's not exactly easy to find.
    It's not? 149 players scored more points than him. He was a second line center with 19 assists. I guess he can play a 3rd line role but I'd expect his point total to decrease at that point. You take care of him last, after you sign the guys who can actually score, because if you want a defensive center, that is easy to find.

    Also, calling him a 50+ point scorer is a stretch considering he's never done that.

    We need more than 44 points from guys if we want to change the way shit has gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    I don't think we think hard about Hayes. He's an extra forward if the Rangers do in fact sign Tavares. He raised his value with his post-deadline goal outburst so this might be the highest his value ever will be.

    Really though, there's just too many moving pieces at the moment. Let's wait to see what happens with the lottery and Kovalchuck. Because if we're picking #1 overall, there's no chance they'll go after Karlsson.
    Honestly, I'm not thinking free agency either. I just want to see how the lotto turns out first. Instead of hoping for #1, I'm just hoping we don't drop. #9 is very possible, twice as likely as getting into the top 3. 10th would be horrid luck.

    This is what we need. There is a 45% chance that Florida, Blues, Stars, Flames, Canes, Isles, Oilers get called in order. That means the worst we pick is 8th and that our odds to be in the top 3 increase to around 27%. If one of those teams is not called in order that means we pick 9th or later, unless we hit on a now less than 10% chance of a top 3.

    The plan is to watch intently the first seven picks go as ordered. Then hope I don't hear the Rangers called next.

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    Then I wanna see the draft and any trades we make before/during the draft, before I think about shitty free agency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    It's not? 149 players scored more points than him. He was a second line center with 19 assists. I guess he can play a 3rd line role but I'd expect his point total to decrease at that point. You take care of him last, after you sign the guys who can actually score, because if you want a defensive center, that is easy to find.
    None of this explains how he's an extra forward. He had 49 points as a third liner last year.

    I don't want to get tangential. I don't love Hayes. I don't care if they trade him. But that said, it's simply untrue that he's an extra forward if they sign JT. Zib or Hayes can easily move to wing. Hayes is also one of our few PKers left, and takes most of the D zone starts (second only to Fast among regular players).

    Defensize centers who can score 50 points from the 3rd line aren't easy to find.

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    Hayes and Vesey were among the worst in the exit exams. Vesey was worse. Let them go eat Taco Bell somewhere else.

    If anyone cares, among the best were Fast, Kreider, Hank, Skjei, and Pionk.
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