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    Gorton: Team Lacked Toughness and Grit; Will Be Addressed

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    Bring back Avery.

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    Why do that when you can draft Avery 2.0?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Why do that when you can draft Avery 2.0?


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    I think it was more that the coach didn't allow players who had those intangibles to activate on them.

    Guys like Smith, Miller, Krieder all have a mean streak. They just weren't allowed to play with an edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torontonyr View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    I think it was more that the coach didn't allow players who had those intangibles to activate on them.

    Guys like Smith, Miller, Krieder all have a mean streak. They just weren't allowed to play with an edge.
    Agreed. AV was a practitioner of the Book of Mark. Kreider and Smith were both chastised publicly by AV after standing up for teammates this season.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    I think it was more that the coach didn't allow players who had those intangibles to activate on them.

    Guys like Smith, Miller, Krieder all have a mean streak. They just weren't allowed to play with an edge.
    Agree 100%. Team got softer and softer with each season AV was at the helm. I know the game has changed but this is still hockey. I can't even remember the last time a player through a hit on an opponent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
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    Agreed. AV was a practitioner of the Book of Mark. Kreider and Smith were both chastised publicly by AV after standing up for teammates this season.


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    I think a new coach maybe unlock a new level of Vesey we haven't seen yet. Vesey strikes me as a guy that could be annoying as fuck to play against if he was encouraged to be a little chippy, and being allowed to be a little chippy would improve his production.......or maybe he just has an annoying face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    I think a new coach maybe unlock a new level of Vesey we haven't seen yet. Vesey strikes me as a guy that could be annoying as fuck to play against if he was encouraged to be a little chippy, and being allowed to be a little chippy would improve his production.......or maybe he just has an annoying face.
    If you're going to have a hateable rat face, might as well go full rat. IMO, that's how he can have an NHL career. He's not a "skill" guy. He's not going to fill the score sheet. But he can make himself useful on the 3rd line by annoying people. I don't have much use for him otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    If you're going to have a hateable rat face, might as well go full rat. IMO, that's how he can have an NHL career. He's not a "skill" guy. He's not going to fill the score sheet. But he can make himself useful on the 3rd line by annoying people. I don't have much use for him otherwise.
    Don't have much use for him? He just finished his second season with 17 goals. A new coach, that allows him to 'play his game more' (potentially) and he's 20 goal 40 point guy (potentially). We don't have use for that? You expect to have a top 9 full of 30 goal 60 point scorers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    I think it was more that the coach didn't allow players who had those intangibles to activate on them.

    Guys like Smith, Miller, Krieder all have a mean streak. They just weren't allowed to play with an edge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    I think a new coach maybe unlock a new level of Vesey we haven't seen yet. Vesey strikes me as a guy that could be annoying as fuck to play against if he was encouraged to be a little chippy, and being allowed to be a little chippy would improve his production.......or maybe he just has an annoying face.
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    Just maybe this Ranger team will get back to being more fun then watching paint dry!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    I think it was more that the coach didn't allow players who had those intangibles to activate on them.

    Guys like Smith, Miller, Krieder all have a mean streak. They just weren't allowed to play with an edge.
    Bingo. It was bred out of them. Both Kreider and Smith were chastised at different times for sticking up for teammates. It was totally gutless coaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    Don't have much use for him? He just finished his second season with 17 goals. A new coach, that allows him to 'play his game more' (potentially) and he's 20 goal 40 point guy (potentially). We don't have use for that? You expect to have a top 9 full of 30 goal 60 point scorers?
    Let's not get crazy with 40 pts. He had 28pts this season. So, no. I don't have much use for a 28 point player that brings nothing to the game other than the odd goal every 5 games. If he adds another element, like being a pest, that's one thing. But if he continues to try to dangle his way through players shift after shift, he can go.
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    Well, AV won't be here to play him less than 13 minutes in half the games so yeah, put him on the 3rd line, let him play his game, and he could add a whopping 12 points to his total.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    Well, AV won't be here to play him less than 13 minutes in half the games so yeah, put him on the 3rd line, let him play his game, and he could add a whopping 12 points to his total.
    I agree starting the season on the 4th line is a joke from AV but I also think Vesey needs to find that other element to his game or his career won't last. A 28pt skill player isn't a thing. So hopefully someone gets to him and helps him be that rat face rat we all know he can be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    I agree starting the season on the 4th line is a joke from AV but I also think Vesey needs to find that other element to his game or his career won't last. A 28pt skill player isn't a thing. So hopefully someone gets to him and helps him be that rat face rat we all know he can be.
    lol, is that not what I said in the first place?

    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    I think a new coach maybe unlock a new level of Vesey we haven't seen yet. Vesey strikes me as a guy that could be annoying as fuck to play against if he was encouraged to be a little chippy, and being allowed to be a little chippy would improve his production.......or maybe he just has an annoying face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    lol, is that not what I said in the first place?
    lol yes. Without that element though, I have no use for Vesey -- which is all I was saying.
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    Well goddammit. Agree to agree.

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