Fine - even though I think comparing the NHL to fight sports is a huge reach, especially since neither the UFC or boxing are growing. The NBA and NFL avoid marketing these guys like the plague.Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia
But Marchand isn't a villain. He's a coward, a cheap shot artist who tries to injure opponents. He's poison. His persona on the ice is exactly the same as Matt Cooke, the only difference is that the NHL is scared to do anything.
Matt Cooke wasn’t a ppg player
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Bingo. And that's what makes him so marketable IMO. With the caveat of trying to get this to happen less often, not more.
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I have a hard time believing any sport would want to Market a player who intentionally injures other marketable players.
Yes and no. If Marchand landed the same hit, (or whatever it was) in this video to Crosby instead of Duclair, there’d be more surrounding it.
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Provided it keeps up, yes. But Pronger is my baseline for how a player can be immensely valuable to marketing while simultaneously being far from a model player.
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- Christopher Hitchens
Unpack that a little more for me...When was Pronger marketable?
Also, how many more infractions does it take before "keeps it up"?
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After he left Edmonton. His time in Anaheim and Philly he was arguably the best defenseman in the league in multiple seasons. How isn't that inherently marketable to a fanbase that still rises to it's feet every time gloves drop at center ice?
With Marchand, he's probably an injury away from burying any hopes of being accepted as the complementary star winger he actually is. Then again, when the Pens finally acquire him to play with Sid, all will be forgiven.
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"Don't take refuge in the false security of consensus, and the feeling that whatever
you think you'e bound to be okay, because you're in the safely moral majority."
- Christopher Hitchens
Well, his last All Star appearance was his 2nd year in ANA 2008, even though that wasn't his best career year. Coincidentally it was his year with most PIMS.
The NHL doesn't (nor should they) celebrate these types of players.
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Your preference to market dirty players who intentionally try to hurt others, rather than kick them out of the league, is baffling to me.
He wasn't marketable in Anaheim either, or, shouldn't have been. I don't remember Pronger being celebrated by the league, it was all Ovechkin/Crosby by 07-08. But Pronger was suspended twice in the 07 playoffs and then got, what, 10 games for stomping on Kesler in the 08 playoffs? Pronger is part of the reason why the league has such an issue with discipline. That's not to mention the fact that the league was very different a decade ago.
And having said all that, Pronger wasn't half as bad as Marchand. They're not comparables.
TIL Duclair plays for the hawks.
Did you ever see that hit on Johannson when the Bruins played the Devils?
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- Christopher Hitchens
He is the definition of a f'n c-nt. I would take a suspension just to break some of his ribs.
he's like roger clemens. an asshole. its always better when he's your asshole.
He was fined 5k for the Xcheck
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Well, that should prevent future transgressions...
I’d pay 10k to run him over with my truck
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a GoFundMe would raise that in 5 minutes...
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