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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    They can fix the D with some UFA signings.

    Which scares me.
    What's available?

    Wonder if they will give Smith another chance next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myusername View Post
    What's available?

    Wonder if they will give Smith another chance next season.
    1. JOHN TAVARES, C, 27
    2017-18 cap hit: $5,500,000

    Just as Steven Stamkos shaped up to be the most significant UFA in NHL history two years ago, the same goes for Tavares if he makes it to July 1 unsigned. He has a strong chance to surpass Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane’s $10.5-million cap hits and become hockey’s second-richest player behind Connor McDavid. Will Tavares leave the Islanders? It’s no sure thing. He’s comfortable in that market. Really boosting the odds of him staying are Matt Barzal’s mammoth rookie year and the Isles’ winning the Belmont Park arena bid.

    2. JOHN CARLSON, D, 28
    2017-18 cap hit: $3,966,667

    The decimation of Washington’s ‘D,’ with Kevin Shattenkirk and Karl Alzner gone as UFAs and Matt Niskanen sustaining an early-season injury, likely made Carlson a lot of money. He has logged a career-best 25:54 per a game in a bellcow role on defense. Carlson is also a right-handed shot. He’s 2018’s equivalent of Kevin Shattenkirk, poised to break the bank. Losing Carlson would be devastating for the Caps.

    3. JAMES VAN RIEMSDYK, LW, 29
    2017-18 cap hit: $4,250,000

    ‘JVR’ appears to have hit his peak, but it’s a nice peak. He offers a floor of about 25 goals and 50 points, can slide in on any scoring line and makes life difficult around the net with his hand-eye co-ordination and athleticism. He should attract a bushel of suitors. The question now is whether the Leafs, too deep at forward, might be better off dealing him before the month is up. Demoting JVR to their third line felt like a harbinger of a trade.

    4. MIKE GREEN, D, 32
    2017-18 cap hit: $6,000,000

    The Caps must find the money to re-up Carlson, and it’s a decent bet they will, so it’s likely Green enters the summer as the top free agent blueliner. He could wind up signing an identical deal to his previous one in term and money: three years, $18 million. He’s helped his cause a lot with stellar scoring numbers this season on a middling Red Wings squad.

    5. JOSH BAILEY, RW, 28
    2017-18 cap hit: $3,300,000

    Playmaking winger posting his best scoring numbers ever, but is he merely the product of playing with Tavares? That’s always the question with Bailey, who could wind up overpaid if he leaves the Isles. Tavares has gotten a point on 52.6 percent of Bailey’s 57 points this season.

    6. JAMES NEAL, RW, 30
    2017-18 cap hit: $5,000,000

    Representing the shocking, first-place Golden Knights in the All-Star Game, Neal has enjoyed his best season since his halcyon days in Pittsburgh. Vegas has already begun rewarding its players for this record-breaking expansion year, handing out mid-season extensions to Jonathan Marchessault, Brayden McNabb and Jon Merrill. There’s a decent chance Neal isn’t going anywhere, either.

    7. MIKAEL BACKLUND, C, 29
    2017-18 cap hit: $3,575,000

    Backlund is a poor man’s Patrice Bergeron, excellent defensively, elite in the possession game and skilled enough to center a second line. The Flames would be wise to re-sign him before he gets to open market, as he’d be attractive to pretty much every team.

    8. EVANDER KANE, LW, 26
    2017-18 cap hit: $5,250,000

    Talent has never been the issue for Kane. He’s big, strong, mean and gifted, like a young Todd Bertuzzi. Kane is also quietly just 26 and on pace for a career year. As long as his head’s on straight, which is never a guarantee, he’s a high-impact UFA.

    9. ILYA KOVALCHUK, RW, 35
    2017-18 cap hit: $6,666,666

    Shows absolutely zero signs of slowing down in the KHL, where he continues to light it up, and he’s a proven NHL talent, one of the best goal scorers of his generation. Teams will still likely take a prove-it approach given his age, though. Something like a two-year pact sounds likely.

    10. JOE THORNTON, C, 38
    2017-18 cap hit: $8,000,000

    ‘Jumbo’ won’t win the Hart or scoring title again but remains a great playmaker and elite two-way center. The fact San Jose had to overpay him at $8 million last summer suggests he considered leaving. Might he actually do it next time, like buddy Patrick Marleau did in 2017?

    11. PATRIC HORNQVIST, RW, 31
    2017-18 cap hit: $4,250,000

    Underrated. Hornvqist shoots the puck a ton, he hits, he agitates, and he scores a decent amount. His style does bang him up, though. He’s old for his age. A contract longer than a few years would be a risk for any team chasing him.

    12. ZDENO CHARA, D, 41
    2017-18 cap hit: $4,000,000

    Odds are he keeps playing – and in a Bruins uniform. He hasn’t worn out his usefulness as a shutdown D-man and mentor to the youngsters like Charlie McAvoy and Brandon Carlo. Chara has been a huge part of Boston’s success this year.

    13. DAVID PERRON, LW, 30
    2017-18 cap hit: $3,750,000

    David Perron, point-per-game stud? Dreams come true in Sin City. He’s played his way into a nice extension theoretically, but if Golden Knights GM George McPhee pays every player for his 2017-18 performance, he’ll run out of money. Someone will end up the odd man out and walk as a UFA. Maybe it’s Perron?

    14. RICK NASH, LW, 34
    2017-18 cap hit: $7,800,000

    After being asked to submit a no-trade list to Jeff Gorton leading up to the Feb. 26, deadline, Nash won’t be a Ranger for long. He still brings a big, strong, athletic skill set to a scoring line, but he’s also a name brand who may never have a 30-goal season again, let alone a 40-goal season. It’s tough to see him earning more than a two- or three-year commitment on the open market.

    15. HENRIK SEDIN, C, 37
    2017-18 cap hit: $7,000.000
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    16. DANIEL SEDIN, LW, 37
    2017-18 cap hit: $7,000,000

    They’ve made it pretty clear that, if they do come back, it will only be to Vancouver. They’ve been effective this season with new coach Travis Green trimming their minutes.

    17. PATRICK MAROON, LW, 30
    2017-18 cap hit: $2,000,000

    If Maroon’s no longer joined at the hip with Connor McDavid on the Oilers’ top line, it feels like Maroon’s days are numbered. The Oilers have Milan Lucic and Zack Kassian, rendering Maroon’s big-man-with-a-scoring-touch skill set redundant. Maroon is a prime trade candidate this month if Edmonton can’t climb into realistic playoff contention.

    18. CALVIN DE HAAN, D, 27
    2017-18 cap hit: $3,300,000

    Not flashy, and he doesn’t log monster minutes for the Isles, but de Haan is a sturdy, physical top-four defender who blocks shots and isn’t a zero on offense. Any team could use that.

    19. PAUL STASTNY, C, 32
    2017-18 cap hit: $7,000,000

    He was overpaid the day he signed that deal in St. Louis with a $7-million AAV. Maybe he stays in his hometown at a discount. It will have to be a major pay cut, though. We’re talkin’ millions.

    20. MICHAEL GRABNER, RW, 30
    2017-18 cap hit: $1,650,000

    A handy specialist who brings speed, penalty killing acumen and tremendous even-strength scoring on bottom-six assignments. He can find work two ways: (a) on a short-term deal with a rebuilding team who can flip him to a contender at next year’s deadline or (b) on a contender looking to shore up its depth and penalty killing.

    21. THOMAS VANEK, LW, 34
    2017-18 cap hit: $2,000,000

    A true gun for hire now but still an effective one. He’s been such a nice mentor for Brock Boeser that I wonder if, even if they sell Vanek as a rental this month, the Canucks consider bringing him back for cheap this July.

    22. LARS ELLER, C, 29
    2017-18 cap hit: $3,500,000

    He’ll never hit the offensive ceiling he was once perceived to have, but he’s settled in as a good No. 3 pivot. He’s big, he can score a little bit, and he’s responsible defensively.

    23. ERIK GUDBRANSON, D, 26
    2017-18 cap hit: $3,500,000

    New-school hockey minds see him as too slow to be an effective modern-style defender. Old-school thinkers like the big body, mean streak and righthanded shot. We can debate forever whether Gudbranson is overrated, but someone’s going to give him decent money and term. If we believe GM Jim Benning, that team may again be the Canucks.

    24. TYLER BOZAK, C, 32
    2017-18 cap hit: $4,200,000

    Fits as a third-liner on a good team and can fill in as a second-liner on a rebuilding team. Likely expendable in Toronto, so he could wind up in the latter scenario.

    25. ANTTI RAANTA, G, 29
    2017-18 cap hit: $1,000,000

    Look through the smoke of Arizona’s tire fire and you’ll see Raanta has quietly enjoyed a good year, with a save percentage above his career mark. He’s been just good enough to earn a shot to compete for a starting gig somewhere.

    26. AARON DELL
    2017-18 cap hit: $625,000

    Money talks. We can claim Dell has pushed Martin Jones for playing time this year, but Jones’ six-year, $34.5-million extension, which kicks in next year, tells us he’s entrenched as the long-term No. 1. San Jose will have to overpay Dell to keep him, as he’ll likely try to find starting work or at least a true platoon somewhere.

    27. IAN COLE, D, 29
    2017-18 cap hit: $2,100,000

    Plays a simple, meat-and-potatoes game and offers Stanley Cup experience, but winding up a healthy scratch at times this season will cost him money on the open market.

    28. CARTER HUTTON, G, 32
    2017-18 cap hit: 1,125,000

    A remarkable story this season, pushing Jake Allen into a timeshare, but isn’t it safe to say this will be Hutton’s career peak? It’ll be risky to gamble on a 32-year-old career backup expecting him to continue his Tim Thomas-like trajectory.

    29. TOMAS PLEKANEC, C, 35
    2017-18 cap hit: $6,000.000

    Will never touch $6 million again. Still signable as a third-line pivot who wins draws, kills penalties and can handle a scoring-line assignment in a pinch.

    30. LEO KOMAROV, LW, 31
    2017-18 cap hit: $2,950,000

    Value has taken a hit this year. Defensive metrics have slipped, as has his offense. Still a good depth piece as a physical agitator.

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    Skjei - Carlson
    De Haan - Shattenkirk
    Smith - Rookie

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    Besides top two there's a lot of meh. The only good players will probably resign (Neal, Backlund, Carlson, Bailey already has). Besides De Haan and Green there is no one there we really need and De Haan is coming back from injury and Green will cost way too much.

    Didnt know the Sedin's were UFAs this year. Interesting to see if they come back, and for how much/long.

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    De Haan is the only real D man available. Carlson doesn't make sense for the money he's going to get. Something about Cole makes me puke in my mouth when I see his name.

    I had no idea Carter Hutton was 32 years old. Wow.

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    Carlson makes little sense with Shattenkirk here anyhow... they're both the same type of player and you can only have one on the main PP unit.

    Wouldn't mind DeHaan though to stabilize the D a bit

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    There isn't one UFA D who makes sense for the Rangers next year, because none of them make this team better. Plus, with $15m, tied up in Smith, Staal, and Shatty, plus whatever extension Skjei gets, there really isn't room anyways.

    If you're going to make a splash, it has to be for a Karlsson/Doughty. Those are the only guys even close to worth the contracts they'll get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    There isn't one UFA D who makes sense for the Rangers next year, because none of them make this team better. Plus, with $15m, tied up in Smith, Staal, and Shatty, plus whatever extension Skjei gets, there really isn't room anyways.

    If you're going to make a splash, it has to be for a Karlsson/Doughty. Those are the only guys even close to worth the contracts they'll get.
    Unlike the UFAs you have to trade a ton of your assets for the priveledge to pay them big bucks on the downside of their career. Didn't we just trade McD because of this and to add young assets?

    Agree though, beside de Haan, who could be more affordable due to the injury and choose to stay local, there is not much else. Just add de Haan at 4 x 4 if his medicals check out and I'd be very happy.

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    Also, it is a bit of bad investing if we consider Smith an investment in the D. The same way you don't think the D has money tied up in Girardi. If they are not in NY, they are lost cap space and might as well be goalies. Same with Belesky.

    As for Shatty, it goes back to the discussion on the other thread. If we are preventing him from achieving his goals, we should accomodate him. Likewise, if he is the reason we can't sign a defenseman who can actually play defense, maybe we should initiate a conversation with him. We have to stop overcomplicating things. It gets in the way of reshaping this team into a contender. If we can trade McD and maybe Zuc, then I'm not worried about being loyal to Shatty. Our situation has changed.

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    Other teams defensemen RFA's should be targeted. Both lower level and upper. Dangle Zuc/Spooner or in hopes of acquiring a decent RFA, or offer a draft pick for Theodore or something like that.

    Maybe an offer sheet? Obviously not for anyone making big bucks, but for a lower level guy, thay a team may have a buget set forth on what they want to spend.
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    Free Agents are no longer exciting. I see "30" and I want nothing to do with it. Funny how that's changed. There's not a single player on that list I want for 5+ seasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    Free Agents are no longer exciting. I see "30" and I want nothing to do with it. Funny how that's changed. There's not a single player on that list I want for 5+ seasons.
    In 5 years Tavares will be the same age as the current NHL leader in goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    In 5 years Tavares will be the same age as the current NHL leader in goals.
    John Tavaras isn't even playing the same sport as Alex Ovechkin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    John Tavaras isn't even playing the same sport as Alex Ovechkin.
    Well that's a little extreme consider Tavares is a 30 goal scorer himself and has whopping 5 fewer points. How about Eric Staal, is that 33 year old playing the same sport as Tavares?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    John Tavaras isn't even playing the same sport as Alex Ovechkin.
    Well that's a little extreme consider Tavares is a 30 goal scorer himself and has whopping 5 fewer points. How about Eric Staal, is that 33 year old playing the same sport as Tavares?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myusername View Post
    Carlson makes little sense with Shattenkirk here anyhow... they're both the same type of player and you can only have one on the main PP unit.

    Wouldn't mind DeHaan though to stabilize the D a bit
    Carslon can actually skate and play defense.

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    http://https://www.spectorshockey.ne...march-16-2018/

    LeBrun speculates a sign and trade option for the Isles and Tavares. It makes a lot of sense for the Isles being that they can control where he goes, or more importantly keep him away from the Rangers. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey37 View Post
    http://https://www.spectorshockey.ne...march-16-2018/

    LeBrun speculates a sign and trade option for the Isles and Tavares. It makes a lot of sense for the Isles being that they can control where he goes, or more importantly keep him away from the Rangers. Lol
    Yea, I donít want them giving up shit for Tavares. Especially to the islanders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey37 View Post
    http://https://www.spectorshockey.ne...march-16-2018/

    LeBrun speculates a sign and trade option for the Isles and Tavares. It makes a lot of sense for the Isles being that they can control where he goes, or more importantly keep him away from the Rangers. Lol
    your link doesn't seem to work.

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    Why would Tavares agree to that?

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