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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    And then have him benched at the 10 minute mark of the first...... AV..
    I was just thinking the same thing!!!!

    They gotta unload AV already....this is just ridiculous! Can't he be the greeter at Wal-Mart or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    I was just thinking the same thing!!!!

    They gotta unload AV already....this is just ridiculous! Can't he be the greeter at Wal-Mart or something?
    Ruff is worse with kids, so you need to wait for a coach to be available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    Ruff is worse with kids, so you need to wait for a coach to be available.
    I hear ya man! I can't wait until that whole regime with the exception of Benoit Alliere is gone. I think these kids need a clean slate.

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    8 points in his last 12 games... not surprised.

    His shooting percentage is pretty funny... 1 goal on 85 shots. Somehow that rounds down to 0.0 on the AHL website lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    Ruff is worse with kids, so you need to wait for a coach to be available.
    Is that even true? Didn't he bring along Seguin, Benn, Kiligberg, Faska, Nichushkin (the Rangers should look into acquiring his rights BTW) , Lindell, Eakin, Roussel and some more?

    I think that's worlds better than what has developed under AV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Is that even true? Didn't he bring along Seguin, Benn, Kiligberg, Faska, Nichushkin (the Rangers should look into acquiring his rights BTW) , Lindell, Eakin, Roussel and some more?

    I think that's worlds better than what has developed under AV.
    "Bring along" meaning what exactly? He was there while those guys were there, yes. They did better when he left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyb™ View Post
    Can't wait to see him. "Here kid, show us what you got."
    Heck, he's even scored a goal in Hartford this year. He might equal that in a night!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    "Bring along" meaning what exactly? He was there while those guys were there, yes. They did better when he left.
    They did? Maybe their record is better, but I'd say their stats were better. Their record has more to do with having a competent goalie. Kinda what everyone has been saying for years.

    All of these players were developed under Ruffs watch. If he is so terrible with kids, wouldn't most of them be buried in the minors while he was there? He left this summer. They all had good careers and good starts to their careers prior to this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Is that even true? Didn't he bring along Seguin, Benn, Kiligberg, Faska, Nichushkin (the Rangers should look into acquiring his rights BTW) , Lindell, Eakin, Roussel and some more?

    I think that's worlds better than what has developed under AV.
    He didnt help make any of these guys better.

    Didnt do much in Buffalo either. Stuck to his favorites, plays the same guys constantly, stays away from skilled guys, buries rookies and prospects, etc etc. Any team he had that did well found a diamond in the Ruff (Ryan Miller - who he buried in the AHL and behind Biron) or had a GM give him everything (Buffalo 07, Dallas '15)


    Some of the old guys might like him. He played Andrew Peters 60 games a season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    He didnt help make any of these guys better.

    Didnt do much in Buffalo either. Stuck to his favorites, plays the same guys constantly, stays away from skilled guys, buries rookies and prospects, etc etc. Any team he had that did well found a diamond in the Ruff (Ryan Miller - who he buried in the AHL and behind Biron) or had a GM give him everything (Buffalo 07, Dallas '15)


    Some of the old guys might like him. He played Andrew Peters 60 games a season.
    ?? He coached them up till last season. Most of these guys have been around for 3+ years. He kind of made them. Are all of them now having career best years? Did you not know these guys were really good until this year?

    Give the guy credit.

    Buffalo players that started or came into their own with Ruff as the coach.

    Peca? Sarich? McKee? Satan? Rasmussen,? Afiniganov? Brian Campbell? Kalinin? Biron? JP Dumont? Pyatt? Connelly? Tallinder? Kotalik? Gaustad? Derrick Roy? Pominville? Ryan Miller? Vanek? and so on.
    Dude almost every season he coached he played young players if not rookies and got the best out of them.

    He buried Miller in the minors? Buried or groomed him into one of the top goalies of his time period?

    I really gotta disagree with you on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    ?? He coached them up till last season. Most of these guys have been around for 3+ years. He kind of made them. Are all of them now having career best years? Did you not know these guys were really good until this year?

    Give the guy credit.

    Buffalo players that started or came into their own with Ruff as the coach.

    Peca? Sarich? McKee? Satan? Rasmussen,? Afiniganov? Brian Campbell? Kalinin? Biron? JP Dumont? Pyatt? Connelly? Tallinder? Kotalik? Gaustad? Derrick Roy? Pominville? Ryan Miller? Vanek? and so on.
    Dude almost every season he coached he played young players if not rookies and got the best out of them.

    He buried Miller in the minors? Buried or groomed him into one of the top goalies of his time period?

    I really gotta disagree with you on this.
    Dallas is good. They should have been a lot better him. He couldnt do crap with 2 top scorers in the league. He didnt get much out of a much-hyped prospect class in Dallas.

    Peca - Ruff used Peca as his 1C for about 8 years. praise him for that?
    some of these guys are just random guys - not very good, but guys he continued to play even when they were detrimental to the team. Satan, Rasmaussen 4th liner for bad teams,
    Afinogenov - what a great talent. Had 1 good season. Guess which year?
    Campbell had his best seasons after leaving Buffalo. You can look up the stats if you dont remember
    Again... more lousy vets he forced in the lineup, mostly bottom 6 wingers
    Miller I mentioned
    Vanek, sure.


    So, I'll be generous. 5 guys.
    in what, 20 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    Dallas is good. They should have been a lot better him. He couldnt do crap with 2 top scorers in the league. He didnt get much out of a much-hyped prospect class in Dallas.

    Peca - Ruff used Peca as his 1C for about 8 years. praise him for that?
    some of these guys are just random guys - not very good, but guys he continued to play even when they were detrimental to the team. Satan, Rasmaussen 4th liner for bad teams,
    Afinogenov - what a great talent. Had 1 good season. Guess which year?
    Campbell had his best seasons after leaving Buffalo. You can look up the stats if you dont remember
    Again... more lousy vets he forced in the lineup, mostly bottom 6 wingers
    Miller I mentioned
    Vanek, sure.


    So, I'll be generous. 5 guys.
    in what, 20 years?
    Dallas was one of the top scoring teams over the last few years. Their goalie was absolute dog shit.That was what held them back.
    You said he buries young players. These were all rookies or 2nd/3rd year players that he inserted into the top six. Satan a fourth liner??? Didn't he score 30-40 goals like every year?

    I stopped listening players after his 9th of 15 years. 5 out of that list? Peca went on to get a huge contract and be the Islanders 1st line center. He played for Ruff for 3 seasons, starting with him at age 23, played 2 seasons prior under Nolan. Satan was a legit scorer. McKee was a big time shut down D man. Dumont was a power forward with sniper skills. Tim Connelly was a 1st line talent who had his career cut short from concussions. Gustaf was the prototypical checking center who killed it on draws. Roy was a 2nd line center for about 4 years.. Pominville was pretty good as was Stafford..

    Almost every year he brought a young player into the league. A few did better elsewhere, while others sucked when they left.

    He did not bury young players I'd agree that he was like Keenan in that he had his type of players that he would rather use, but he was always able to mix talent with grinder types and get decent results. I'm not saying he's a guru with young players. I'm just saying he didn't bury them and use vets over them. Unless you consider 24 year old old..
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    Ruff had nothing to do withSeguin, he realized he had to mature, Benn was maybe a case of him developing, Honka was in the ahl while he should have been on the team. Klingberg had a pretty bad year last year

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