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    Quote Originally Posted by jsrangers View Post
    HARD pass.
    to left dot, GOAL!!! Kovalchuk rips the puck past Holtby. It's a Power Play Goal! and the Rangers now lead 5-2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    How can anyone want to sell this season and add Kovalchuk the next the same breath?
    not everyone wants to sell the season.

    And its a rebuild on the fly. They arent tanking for a decade.
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    IF, Nash and Grabner are not resigned; IF there is some cap space left after signing RFAs and #27; IF whatever young assets we soon acquire are not NHL ready, leaving roster space; IF he will sign for a modest sum for no more than two years: then and only then am I not violently opposed to this. After all, his potential for NHL success at this point could even be greater than Guy LaFleur's was in 1988...

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    not everyone wants to sell the season.

    And its a rebuild on the fly. They arent tanking for a decade.
    what is a "rebuild on the fly?"

    I know that's what was said, but what is it if it's not a veiled re-phrasing of rebuild? They're selling for picks. They're considering moving Mac and Zucc. If that's true, there's no denying what this is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paddynyc View Post
    Could be a nice addition, but how long of contract do you want to give and what does he want?
    One year, bonus-laden. He'll be 35, so he's eligible to sign a deal where the bonuses can roll over (or not be hit at all).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    You only go after him if you are also going after JT or something. He alone doesn't move the needle for this team, and there's no guarantee he'd be as effective in today's NHL.
    Yeah, people said the same shit about Radulov, and were dead wrong there, too.

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    How can anyone want to sell this season and add Kovalchuk the next the same breath?
    Easily. Sell Nash, Grabner, McDonagh, and others for high-end futures. Firsts, former firsts, and NHL-ready prospects. Bring back Nash and/or Grabner, sign Kovalchuk to a one-year deal and they dramatically improve their roster next season and replenish the pipeline with viable fallbacks and soon-to-be's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Yeah, people said the same shit about Radulov, and were dead wrong there, too.



    Easily. Sell Nash, Grabner, McDonagh, and others for high-end futures. Firsts, former firsts, and NHL-ready prospects. Bring back Nash and/or Grabner, sign Kovalchuk to a one-year deal and they dramatically improve their roster next season and replenish the pipeline with viable fallbacks and soon-to-be's.
    Only flaw in that logic is the defense would be traaaaaaaaaaash

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    what is a "rebuild on the fly?"

    I know that's what was said, but what is it if it's not a veiled re-phrasing of rebuild? They're selling for picks. They're considering moving Mac and Zucc. If that's true, there's no denying what this is.
    essentially, "Next year"
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    Quote Originally Posted by torontonyr View Post
    Only flaw in that logic is the defense would be traaaaaaaaaaash
    Indeed. That might be remedied via the draft ans/or additional trades, though. The way I seen it, Nash and Grabner are getting firsts. That's three firsts this draft regardless and we haven't touched McDonagh or Zucc yet. There's no way you can't get back at least one NHL caliber defenseman for one of them. Maybe one each.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Yeah, people said the same shit about Radulov, and were dead wrong there, too.



    Easily. Sell Nash, Grabner, McDonagh, and others for high-end futures. Firsts, former firsts, and NHL-ready prospects. Bring back Nash and/or Grabner, sign Kovalchuk to a one-year deal and they dramatically improve their roster next season and replenish the pipeline with viable fallbacks and soon-to-be's.
    Kovalchuk would be coming over at 35, not 29. Besides, everyone also thought that Shipachyov was going to be a top-six guy immediately. How'd that work? It's a crap shoot.

    There is still no top RD and no top C, plus, you're old. Going into next year with the same roster as this one except with Kovalchuk seems at best, risky.
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    Shipachyov has like a tenth the talent of Kovalchuk. An apples to apples comparison is Radulov.

    Also, as I already said, Nash, Grabner, and Kovalchuk wouldn't be coming back to the same roster. Both McDonagh and Zuccarello could be used to flip for D. Maybe Miller.


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    I agree with Phil. I could see how he could add something to team, depending on what happens at the deadline now and how much money it’ll take to land him. I’m just worried that the rangers abandon the idea of a rebuild. I still am uncertain of how Lundqvist fits into this rebuild. I mean, as long as he’s here, you have to remain some what competitive for the sake of Henrik, no? Maybe he’d push for a guy like Kovalchuk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niko View Post
    I agree with Phil. I could see how he could add something to team, depending on what happens at the deadline now and how much money it’ll take to land him. I’m just worried that the rangers abandon the idea of a rebuild. I still am uncertain of how Lundqvist fits into this rebuild. I mean, as long as he’s here, you have to remain some what competitive for the sake of Henrik, no? Maybe he’d push for a guy like Kovalchuk

    As long as they stay away from trading picks and prospects for Kovalchuk-like players, you wont see the late 90s Rangers, so that shouldn't be a concern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    Kovalchuk would be coming over at 35, not 29. Besides, everyone also thought that Shipachyov was going to be a top-six guy immediately. How'd that work? It's a crap shoot.

    There is still no top RD and no top C, plus, you're old. Going into next year with the same roster as this one except with Kovalchuk seems at best, risky.
    Can anybody explain this dire need for a top RD?

    If they move McD, that slides Skjei into the top Dmen man spot. Is that a stretch? So with that being done, why do they have to pair him with a top RD? Nobody is doing that. You are not going to have a top pair where both are of all star quality. It could never be affordable. What top defenders out there are paired with another top talent guy?

    I see the need for a a guy that can play along side Skjei. That can be Smith that can be Shattenkirk, that can be a free agent.

    I'm against over paying for Dmen. The Rangers screwed the pooch in doling out big contracts to guys they thought would be top pair guys for years in Girardi and Staal. Im hoping they realize that error and don't plan for a future with McD.

    If they can get a young guy to play the right side with decent potential for Nash or Grabner, great. Draft a guy? Cool. I just think it's not as big as a need as some make it out to be. Definitely not a pressing need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niko View Post
    I agree with Phil. I could see how he could add something to team, depending on what happens at the deadline now and how much money it’ll take to land him. I’m just worried that the rangers abandon the idea of a rebuild. I still am uncertain of how Lundqvist fits into this rebuild. I mean, as long as he’s here, you have to remain some what competitive for the sake of Henrik, no? Maybe he’d push for a guy like Kovalchuk
    Hence the rebuild on the fly comments. It's more of a retooling that is likely to happen. Restocking the cupboard with prospects and picks is just icing on the cake. Maybe even a bit of tanking for this season only to get a quality 1st round pick... But it will likely be a gutting of some "core" pieces, hopefully replaced by young talent, that is very affordable (Nylander /Marner) and rounded out with some older talent. It's not going to be a bunch of recent draft picks as the 18/19 Rangers. They will try to put a playoff team together for next year.

    The difference from the past times they have done this? No long term contracts to older players and hopefully a commitment to the youth. Not everyone has to be 21.

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    Ya'll thinkin what I'm thinkin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by torontonyr View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Hence the rebuild on the fly comments. It's more of a retooling that is likely to happen. Restocking the cupboard with prospects and picks is just icing on the cake. Maybe even a bit of tanking for this season only to get a quality 1st round pick... But it will likely be a gutting of some "core" pieces, hopefully replaced by young talent, that is very affordable (Nylander /Marner) and rounded out with some older talent. It's not going to be a bunch of recent draft picks as the 18/19 Rangers. They will try to put a playoff team together for next year.

    The difference from the past times they have done this? No long term contracts to older players and hopefully a commitment to the youth. Not everyone has to be 21.
    I agree with all of it. The only thing I would say s little different is that I don’t think Marner or Nylander is coming. Not that I don’t want them but I don’t see Toronto trading them. If they were wouldn’t Karlsson, oel, maybe even Doughty be better options for them if they are going to pay that price? Of course at the draft.

    I guess I’m just saying a little warning that we shouldn’t get our hopes up for mcd netting those guys. The rangers can still make a good trade but the bar being those two guys maybe unrealistic

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    I hope I’m wrong though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Shipachyov has like a tenth the talent of Kovalchuk. An apples to apples comparison is Radulov.

    Also, as I already said, Nash, Grabner, and Kovalchuk wouldn't be coming back to the same roster. Both McDonagh and Zuccarello could be used to flip for D. Maybe Miller.


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    How can you say that? Shipachyov had a higher ppg than Kovalchuck 3 years in a row lol

    If you flip Mac for a D, then you are in the exact same spot you are in now, defensively. If you trade Zucc or Miller, you're now trading Kovalchuck for Nash/Grabner and Miller/Zucc up front. How does that make you better?
    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Can anybody explain this dire need for a top RD?

    If they move McD, that slides Skjei into the top Dmen man spot. Is that a stretch? So with that being done, why do they have to pair him with a top RD? Nobody is doing that. You are not going to have a top pair where both are of all star quality. It could never be affordable. What top defenders out there are paired with another top talent guy?

    I see the need for a a guy that can play along side Skjei. That can be Smith that can be Shattenkirk, that can be a free agent.

    I'm against over paying for Dmen. The Rangers screwed the pooch in doling out big contracts to guys they thought would be top pair guys for years in Girardi and Staal. Im hoping they realize that error and don't plan for a future with McD.

    If they can get a young guy to play the right side with decent potential for Nash or Grabner, great. Draft a guy? Cool. I just think it's not as big as a need as some make it out to be. Definitely not a pressing need.
    It's not about getting an all star RD, it's about not having Nick Holden as your RD, and, as of right now, there is no answer in the system. The "if you trade X for Y" scenarios are just ideas, there's no guarantee that they work and, really, they aren't real right now.

    You can't say that you want a FA to be on your top pair and say you're against overpaying for defensemen. The only way to get a FA defender worth anything is to overpay.

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