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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane Falco View Post
    If the Rangers can't land Tavares or aren't going after him, they still need to find a legit 1st line center. Zib ain't it.
    Trade McD for a kid who projects as a top liner, + something else of value to us. Seems the only way to get a top C is to offer a top Dman to a team that needs one. No McD and no Tavares saves almost 20 million a year for the next 8 years and gives the Rangers a future.

    Especially if we also add a bunch of picks for our UFAs, which become valuable in moving up or in other ways. This is a strong draft and good players throughout the 1st round will be found.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    Sure. Swap Nash and Grabner for Tavaras. Where does that put them? 8th? Is that the goal? If the Rangers are going to rebuild, rebuild. This stop gap shit has been a problem since 2014.
    You will never get close to that with your rebuild.

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    What team has won the Cup recently without an absolute STUD 1C ??? We need someone like Tavares to take this team to the next level. Players like him are very rarely available, we need to do whatever to get him IMO. You need a superstar forward to win Championships in this league, get it done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynBoy89 View Post
    What team has won the Cup recently without an absolute STUD 1C ??? We need someone like Tavares to take this team to the next level. Players like him are very rarely available, we need to do whatever to get him IMO. You need a superstar forward to win Championships in this league, get it done.
    All of those top centerman who won cups were surrounded by excellent rosters. Having a true 1C is only one part of the equation.


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    Players like Tavares and Karlson rarely become available. When one does, you try to get him, irrespective of whether you are in contender mode, rebuild mode, or something else. I suspect Tavares does not want to deal with all the bruhaha that would surround his signing with the Rangers, but I don't know the man, so maybe he wouldn't really care if it worked for him otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sod16 View Post
    Players like Tavares and Karlson rarely become available. When one does, you try to get him, irrespective of whether you are in contender mode, rebuild mode, or something else. I suspect Tavares does not want to deal with all the bruhaha that would surround his signing with the Rangers, but I don't know the man, so maybe he wouldn't really care if it worked for him otherwise.
    Agreed, though I don't think a bidding war is always for the best.

    I don't think JT cares about the "bruhaha," to be honest. Or, at least, he's already decided whether or not it would be worth it. It's not like he's going to have to weigh whether or not he wants to take that on.

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    Tavares is not going to be cheap are the Rangers ready to pay around $14-$16 million dollars a year for 8 years ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paddynyc View Post
    Tavares is not going to be cheap are the Rangers ready to pay around $14-$16 million dollars a year for 8 years ?
    Where does $14-16 come from? No way he gets more than McDavid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    Where does $14-16 come from? No way he gets more than McDavid.
    I was checking out the Forbes site and I saw that Towes makes $13.8 for this year, but does drop to $12. But it will still be costly to sign Tavares and and could he challenge McDavid's contract which is 8/$100 or does he come in around 8/$90 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paddynyc View Post
    I was checking out the Forbes site and I saw that Towes makes $13.8 for this year, but does drop to $12. But it will still be costly to sign Tavares and and could he challenge McDavid's contract which is 8/$100 or does he come in around 8/$90 ?

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    It's really just the cap hit that matters. Toews hit is $10.5m, and McDavid is $12m.

    Tavares is having a monster year, and completely changing the trend he was on. Before the season, I thought that under $10m was reasonable if his numbers kept trending down, but if he hits 90 points, he could very well get more than McDavid. Plus, the cap is going to go up, giving teams a couple million extra to play with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giacomin View Post
    I know. I've been saying this all season. This team needs to look ahead. McD can give someone at least 2 playoffs and time to resign him. Now is the time we can get max value and add a dynamic top liner.

    His contract is going to be an anchor, preventing a ton of flexibility. We can turn McD into quality youth. Even if he doesn't have more than the typical injuries, a big long contract seems risky. He may ask for 7 years 8.5 million. That could be a hometown discount cause he might get 8 years at 9 mil in the open market. We can't do it. See the future Gorton. Have some balls and find us a great young forward in return.
    I don't see McD breaking 7.5 on his next deal. I don't want to give him THAT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paddynyc View Post
    Tavares is not going to be cheap are the Rangers ready to pay around $14-$16 million dollars a year for 8 years ?
    JT is not breaking 11- 12 on what ever deal he signs.

    If it's possible to sign him, he's a must have and kinda puts the team where it needs to be as far as being a contender.

    Obviously they then have to replace Nash in some capacity.

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    As for Tavares, it is obvious he is going to get at least 10 AAV. I expect his agent to be willing to settle at around the same as Kane and Toews, which is 10.5 for 8 years.

    That's a lot of cap space for us. I don't think I'd do it for someone who has already has 10 years in the league. I understand you guys who want to do it though. He wouldn't cost any assets and fills a big need on an already decent team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    JT is not breaking 11- 12 on what ever deal he signs.

    If it's possible to sign him, he's a must have and kinda puts the team where it needs to be as far as being a contender.

    Obviously they then have to replace Nash in some capacity.
    What? Replace Nash ?
    How so


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    [QUOTE=Puck Head;911401]All of those top centerman who won cups were surrounded by excellent rosters. Having a true 1C is only one part of the equation. "
    Pens roster last year was not excellent by any means.. IMO. Their D was suspect at best.. Having SUPERSTAR Forwards help make average looking players a lot better than they are. Jake Guentzel is a good player, but paired with Crosby he is legit.

    I also think being extremely shitty for a few years in a row is a big help, when the right players come around. But let's be honest, even McDavid doesn't look like he can save Edmonton. Crosby-Malkin, Kane-Toews.. Those duos don't come around enough through the draft. You have to be really shitty, and really lucky. We will never be either with the way we have been going, so getting someone like Tavares in FA is the only way to go in my eyes.

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    Pens roster was terrible. Their top line has similar players to jesper Fast and Paul Carey. Their defense was a conglomerate of waiver wire pickups, busts and fill-ins.

    They're top heavy, like all successful NHL teams during this era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    Pens roster was terrible. Their top line has similar players to jesper Fast and Paul Carey. Their defense was a conglomerate of waiver wire pickups, busts and fill-ins.

    They're top heavy, like all successful NHL teams during this era.
    This is a joke right? Their top line had players like Carey??? Where do you come up with this stuff?

    Crosby with 90 points
    Malkin over 70
    Kessel over 70
    Sheary 53 in 61G
    Hornqvist 44 in 70G
    Bonino 39
    Guenzal 33 in 40G
    Rust 28 in 57G
    Add Hags, Cullen and Kunitz among others

    And that D after losing
    LeTang
    Shultz 51 in 72G
    Daley
    Dumoulin
    Maata

    After that you also had the best Goaltending TANDEM in the league.

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    Tavares is probably going to get more than mcdavid. Not because he is better but because he has 31 teams bidding for his services. If he wants the biggest paycheck he’s going to break records with his contract because somebody will give it to him. If he’s looking at the best possible situation than he may take less.

    Mcdavid was still a rfa for years, he had little leverage. He still had another year at elc money and another bunch of years at rfa and arbitration. Completely different from Tavares.

    Mcd could get 7.5 or more. Doughty Karlsson and oel are all ufas with mcd they will set the market and mcd will come in just unde them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giacomin View Post
    This is a joke right? Their top line had players like Carey??? Where do you come up with this stuff?

    Crosby with 90 points
    Malkin over 70
    Kessel over 70
    Sheary 53 in 61G
    Hornqvist 44 in 70G
    Bonino 39
    Guenzal 33 in 40G
    Rust 28 in 57G
    Add Hags, Cullen and Kunitz among others

    And that D after losing
    LeTang
    Shultz 51 in 72G
    Daley
    Dumoulin
    Maata

    After that you also had the best Goaltending TANDEM in the league.
    Take 2 players off that team.

    None of those guys come close to those numbers.
    Even then, other than Sheary, nothing is that impressive or surprising.

    Top players get more out of those around them.. Look at Robbie Schremp, Jordan Eberle, Matt Moulson, Okposo, Strome... anytime they played with Tavares, their numbers jumped, significantly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    Take 2 players off that team.

    None of those guys come close to those numbers.
    Even then, other than Sheary, nothing is that impressive or surprising.
    That is ridiculous. You said of the team that just won their 2nd straight Cup, "The Pens roster was terrible. Their top line has similar players to Paul Carey. Their defense was a conglomerate of waiver wire pickups, busts and fill-ins."

    Listed were 11 forwards, 5 defenders and 2 goalies with some numbers. None were waiver pickups or fill-ins. They are all better than Carey, the definition of a fringe NHL/AHLer. Take the two best offensive players (let alone centers who are also superstars) from any team and production is likely to drop. That is not an indictment of the team or the rest of the roster.

    Your assertion that there are not any impressive players beyond Crosby, Malkin and Sheary is grotesquely absurd. Josh that is not a credible analysis of their roster. It is so off base it is not worth writing a roster breakdown.

    There have been times coaches have struggled to find the right line mates for Crosby or Tavares. During the Cup runs, the guys playing with Crosby were not Carey or Schremp like. Or even under performers like Strome and others. This is one of the reasons they finally won. And won again.

    Did it ever occur to you that Tavares numbers are higher this year because he has guys like Bailey and Anders Lee and now Barzal and others on the PP, instead of Strome, Moulson or Okposo? Or that the Isles are playing a high powered offensive game (no D or goaltending) that also helps JT's point totals? Other factors matter, this is the NHL, having 2 stars doesn't automatically win Cups. And JT or McJesus won't automatically have a career years if they play with Paul Carey.

    Of course excellent centers lift their linemate's play. Good plays create more opportunities. This is a team game, played on the highest level. Yet, no line reaches its potential until each man is on their game and clicking with their teammates. Excellent supporting or complimentary players, skilled youth and speed, chemistry, special role players and balance are just some of the factors that teams who go on long playoff runs, possess. You need more than 2 stars to win a Cup, but that should be obvious.

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