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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger Lothbrok View Post
    Sure, lets do more of the same. Because that's gotten us...how many Cups exactly in the past 75 years? But yeah, screw trying to rebuild, because what we're doing obviously works. The team is mediocre, with several glaring deficiencies, no assets to trade (so good luck pulling Joe Thornton at the deadline, unless you're going to send Miller and Skjei the other way, and by the sound of it some people would love that move), no blue-chip prospects to speak of, and a starting goalie pushing 35. Future's bright people. Real bright. I'm sure we're only one piece away this year too. Who's the next Nash/Yandle/Eric Staal/MSL to put this team over the top finally?
    First, the 1 cup in 75 years argument is annoying. Its pointless. We're still mad about the 40's, 50's, and 60's? It was Montreal and Toronto then everyone else. Get over it. Its ancient history. The Isles and Oilers dominated the 80's. I mean people act like every team but the rangers has won the cup recently. Only 10 teams have won a cup since 94. That means 2/3's of the league is worse off than the Rangers. You think Toronto cares about all those cups in the O6 right now? Its been 49 years.

    Second, our starting goalie pushing 35, despite the several glaring deficiencies, is 3rd in wins, 5th in GAA, and 5th in SV% since the start of November so I don't really think we need to beat the Hank sucks now dead horse any longer.

    Third, the future is bright. Gorton is making the right moves. How anyone looks at trading Stepan for a pick and a prospect and thinks we're doing the same old shit is beyond me. No team in any sport is ever going to trade their way out of the playoffs. You wanna talk about trading McD, Zucc, or Hayes this summer let's do it, but as long as they are in the playoffs they aren't trading a roster player for futures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Guaranteed first-round pick from a contender. Anything less and they sold for seventy cents on the dollar.
    Yes, if he's traded before the deadline.

    If as the OP suggests, he is traded at the draft I think he brings a lot less, as teams could say, "why trade the farm, when we can wait for free agency?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    First, the 1 cup in 75 years argument is annoying. Its pointless. We're still mad about the 40's, 50's, and 60's? It was Montreal and Toronto then everyone else. Get over it. Its ancient history. The Isles and Oilers dominated the 80's. I mean people act like every team but the rangers has won the cup recently. Only 10 teams have won a cup since 94. That means 2/3's of the league is worse off than the Rangers. You think Toronto cares about all those cups in the O6 right now? Its been 49 years.

    Second, our starting goalie pushing 35, despite the several glaring deficiencies, is 3rd in wins, 5th in GAA, and 5th in SV% since the start of November so I don't really think we need to beat the Hank sucks now dead horse any longer.

    Third, the future is bright. Gorton is making the right moves. How anyone looks at trading Stepan for a pick and a prospect and thinks we're doing the same old shit is beyond me. No team in any sport is ever going to trade their way out of the playoffs. You wanna talk about trading McD, Zucc, or Hayes this summer let's do it, but as long as they are in the playoffs they aren't trading a roster player for futures.
    Once again, we are talking about Nash. Heís giving us very little right now. As far as your 94 reference, it doesnít equate. I could easily say 1 championship in 70 years ?
    Calculate same equation since 95, or 85, or 75.
    No matter what, only a few teams have been less successful on winning championships than the Rangers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Puck Head View Post
    Once again, we are talking about Nash. He’s giving us very little right now. As far as your 94 reference, it doesn’t equate. I could easily say 1 championship in 70 years ?
    Calculate same equation since 95, or 85, or 75.
    No matter what, only a few teams have been less successful on winning championships than the Rangers.

    Only a few teams? 12 teams have have NEVER won a cup and 8 of those started before 94.

    STL in 49 years
    BUF and VAN in 46 years
    WSH in 42 years
    WIN/ARI in 41 years
    SJS in 25 years
    OTT in 24 years
    FLA in 23 years

    Only 7 teams have more than 4 cups. Only 3 teams have more than 6. Montreal and Toronto dominated the original 6 with Detroit sneaking in now and then. Let the 40's 50's and 60's die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    Only a few teams? 12 teams have have NEVER won a cup and 8 of those started before 94.

    STL in 49 years
    BUF and VAN in 46 years
    WSH in 42 years
    WIN/ARI in 41 years
    SJS in 25 years
    OTT in 24 years
    FLA in 23 years

    Only 7 teams have more than 4 cups. Only 3 teams have more than 6. Montreal and Toronto dominated the original 6 with Detroit sneaking in now and then. Let the 40's 50's and 60's die.
    Once again
    We have zero cups in the last 22 years.
    One cup in the last 70 years?

    Of those teams you mentioned, 1/2 were expansion franchises when we last won a cup.


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    But more importantly, i think you should let the 90ís die.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Puck Head View Post
    Once again
    We have zero cups in the last 22 years.
    One cup in the last 70 years?

    Of those teams you mentioned, 1/2 were expansion franchises when we last won a cup.


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    Yeah one cup in 70 years. You said that. So in the last 70 years Toronto has 7 cups. That makes their 49 year drought okay? Who cares about a bunch of wins in the 40's and 60's? It was a completely different game. Cup or no cup the Rangers are in the top 5 best franchises over the last 10 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puck Head View Post
    But more importantly, i think you should let the 90’s die.


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    I wasn't aware I was hung up on the 90's. Again, cup or no cup the Rangers are in the top 5 best franchises over the last 10 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    Yeah one cup in 70 years. You said that. So in the last 70 years Toronto has 7 cups. That makes their 49 year drought okay? Who cares about a bunch of wins in the 40's and 60's? It was a completely different game. Cup or no cup the Rangers are in the top 5 best franchises over the last 10 years.
    By last 10 years hours are referencing regular season wins? Because zero championships puts us outside of the top 5 of anything


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    Quote Originally Posted by Puck Head View Post
    By last 10 years hours are referencing regular season wins? Because zero championships puts us outside of the top 5 of anything


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    Does it? So you wanna say 6th? Only 4 teams share the last 9 cups with this year's cup still up for grabs. In that time only 3 teams have won more playoff games then the Rangers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    Does it? So you wanna say 6th? Only 4 teams share the last 9 cups with this year's cup still up for grabs. In that time only 3 teams have won more playoff games then the Rangers.
    I accept that premise. I donít agree that the reference point of a franchise is NOT winning a championship?
    But if your idea of success last 10 years is wins without a cup, Iíll respect that


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    Quote Originally Posted by Puck Head View Post
    I accept that premise. I don’t agree that the reference point of a franchise is NOT winning a championship?
    But if your idea of success last 10 years is wins without a cup, I’ll respect that
    And there in lies the whole argument! Winning the cup is hard. Only 4 teams have won one of the last 9 cups. People say "What we're doing isn't working". Well its working better than the other 25 teams who haven't won shit. We are more likely to get over the hump by continuing what Gorton is doing than by trading our way out of the playoffs and rebuilding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger Lothbrok View Post
    Sure, lets do more of the same. Because that's gotten us...how many Cups exactly in the past 75 years? But yeah, screw trying to rebuild, because what we're doing obviously works. The team is mediocre, with several glaring deficiencies, no assets to trade (so good luck pulling Joe Thornton at the deadline, unless you're going to send Miller and Skjei the other way, and by the sound of it some people would love that move), no blue-chip prospects to speak of, and a starting goalie pushing 35. Future's bright people. Real bright. I'm sure we're only one piece away this year too. Who's the next Nash/Yandle/Eric Staal/MSL to put this team over the top finally?
    To say the last 10 years of Rangers hockey has been the same old same old is really just taking a stance and saying it is so, because you said so. The Rangers have traded ZERO blue chip, top tier talent to make the moves they have made. Who have they traded that they have missed oh so dearly? A trip to the cup finals and a conference final, and a bunch of blown leads to the eventual conference finalists, isn't good enough for people? This team has won more games and played more playoff games than 90% or more of the entire league! Was Brandon Dubinsky going to lead them to the cup? Fuckin guy has done jack shit since leaving here. He hasn't full filled the expectations many Ranger fans envisioned. Who? Who should they regret moving?

    This team has done an amazing job of competing AND WINNING over the last ten years. They now have a pretty young core of players to build upon, yet that's not enough for people. How much younger do they have to get for people to get over this train of thought that the Rangers are old and only trade away their youth for old has been as if it was still 1996 or prior?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puck Head View Post
    Nash more than likely won't be on this roster come next season.
    Grabner i'd say has a 50/50 chance. Unless something drastic happens, I'd probably look at moving Nash before the deadline.

    He's currently 12th on this team in scoring.
    He is no longer a key part of this teams success, factor in his typical playoff performance, I doubt he makes much difference post season compared to slotting someone else up/in.
    People love to talk about Nash's playoff performances, yet throw a fit when someone suggests trading Miller... Talk about bad post season stats..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    And there in lies the whole argument! Winning the cup is hard. Only 4 teams have won one of the last 9 cups. People say "What we're doing isn't working". Well its working better than the other 25 teams who haven't won shit. We are more likely to get over the hump by continuing what Gorton is doing than by trading our way out of the playoffs and rebuilding.
    Only 4 teams have won the cup in the last 9 years, why did you stop at 9 years? Seems like a odd number.
    9 teams have won the cup in the last 14 years.
    12 teams have won the cup in the last 18 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    People love to talk about Nash's playoff performances, yet throw a fit when someone suggests trading Miller... Talk about bad post season stats..
    Did you just compare Miller to Nash??
    Oh my


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    We've been the best non-cup winning team the last 10 seasons.
    Not every team can win the cup, but to be able to compete for it, competitively, for a decade... that's pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puck Head View Post
    Only 4 teams have won the cup in the last 9 years, why did you stop at 9 years? Seems like a odd number.
    9 teams have won the cup in the last 14 years.
    12 teams have won the cup in the last 18 years.
    Because the 2008 to 2018 is current history. How many players in the league were toddlers or younger 18 years ago? Only Jagr was playing then. Didn't you tell me stop living in the 90's? I wouldn't care if we won the cup 15 years ago instead of 24. I wanna win now, I wanna win every year, and we've been damn close. I have zero interest in missing the playoffs in hopes it makes us better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    Because the 2008 to 2018 is current history. How many players in the league were toddlers or younger 18 years ago? Only Jagr was playing then. Didn't you tell me stop living in the 90's? I wouldn't care if we won the cup 15 years ago instead of 24. I wanna win now, I wanna win every year, and we've been damn close. I have zero interest in missing the playoffs in hopes it makes us better.
    How are we missing the playoffs?
    Wait, are we back to our 12th or so leading scorer is making that much of a difference?

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