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    Quote Originally Posted by jsm7302 View Post
    Nash to Ari for Duclair and a 1st round pick in the upcoming draft. Bad idea?
    Why would Arizona do that when they're in rebuilding mode?!?!?
    Rangers have to decide what they are, stay the course and see how it plays out with Nash/Grabs in the playoffs? or get assets for Nash/Grabs at the deadline, and go into a sort of a re-tool? I wouldnt mind re-signing Nash after the season if its for something like $4.5 million. The dude has been snake bitten this year, but he's been beastly with the puck and reliable on D.

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    Duclair is going to be a throw in no matter what but there's no chance in hell at a lottery pick for Nash.


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    Before you go selling off Nash or Grabner for a contender's 24th overall first round pick, please review all of the players picked in that slot between say 5 and 15 years ago. What are your chances of getting a excellent impact player? What are your chances of getting nothing? If you keep Nash and he ends up signing elsewhere, you are not getting nothing. You are getting. $7.8 million in cap space

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sod16 View Post
    Before you go selling off Nash or Grabner for a contender's 24th overall first round pick, please review all of the players picked in that slot between say 5 and 15 years ago. What are your chances of getting a excellent impact player? What are your chances of getting nothing? If you keep Nash and he ends up signing elsewhere, you are not getting nothing. You are getting. $7.8 million in cap space
    We wont need that cap space come deadline.
    That money is already allotted to re-signing RFA.
    Its not like you cleared up almost 8m that you can use to sign a FA or 2. That money is already being spent.
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    The last place team in the world is not going to trade a lottery pick for an expiring contract. WTF. LOL.

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    Assuming current trends continue and the Rangers are still competitive in a month, there is ZERO possibility that they will be trading either Grabner or Nash. It's just not going to happen.

    They as much a contender this year as any other. There isn't a single team in this conference they can't beat. I don't understand the rationale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    Assuming current trends continue and the Rangers are still competitive in a month, there is ZERO possibility that they will be trading either Grabner or Nash. It's just not going to happen.

    They as much a contender this year as any other. There isn't a single team in this conference they can't beat. I don't understand the rationale.
    The next two months are super interesting/stupid schedule wise and will decide their fate.

    After the upcoming back to back against ARI and Vegas we have 5 days off heading into a stretch of 8 games in 13 days, which ends with a 4 game west coast road trip. Following that stretch there is a 6 day break. That break leads into a 10 game in 18 day stretch which ends a week before the trade deadline.

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    Why would we want Duclair back? He's a douche, and that's why he was traded from here in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    The next two months are super interesting/stupid schedule wise and will decide their fate.

    After the upcoming back to back against ARI and Vegas we have 5 days off heading into a stretch of 8 games in 13 days, which ends with a 4 game west coast road trip. Following that stretch there is a 6 day break. That break leads into a 10 game in 18 day stretch which ends a week before the trade deadline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    The next two months are super interesting/stupid schedule wise and will decide their fate.

    After the upcoming back to back against ARI and Vegas we have 5 days off heading into a stretch of 8 games in 13 days, which ends with a 4 game west coast road trip. Following that stretch there is a 6 day break. That break leads into a 10 game in 18 day stretch which ends a week before the trade deadline.
    DAM !!! that's a lot of time off
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    OK. I looked it up. 23rd overall picks for 2003-2012:

    Ryan Kesler
    Anrej Mezaros
    Nicklaus Begfors
    Semyon Varlamov
    Jonathon Blum
    Tyler Cuma
    Tim Erixon
    Mark Pysyk
    Joe Morrow
    Mike Maltheson

    Trade a good player for the 23rd pick, and you get a one in ten chance at a Ryan Kesler. You also get a better than one in ten chance at a Tim Erixon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sod16 View Post
    OK. I looked it up. 23rd overall picks for 2003-2012:

    Ryan Kesler
    Anrej Mezaros
    Nicklaus Begfors
    Semyon Varlamov
    Jonathon Blum
    Tyler Cuma
    Tim Erixon
    Mark Pysyk
    Joe Morrow
    Mike Maltheson

    Trade a good player for the 23rd pick, and you get a one in ten chance at a Ryan Kesler. You also get a better than one in ten chance at a Tim Erixon.
    What does the 23rd pick have to do with anything ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sod16 View Post
    OK. I looked it up. 23rd overall picks for 2003-2012:

    Ryan Kesler
    Anrej Mezaros
    Nicklaus Begfors
    Semyon Varlamov
    Jonathon Blum
    Tyler Cuma
    Tim Erixon
    Mark Pysyk
    Joe Morrow
    Mike Maltheson

    Trade a good player for the 23rd pick, and you get a one in ten chance at a Ryan Kesler. You also get a better than one in ten chance at a Tim Erixon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    Rip the band-aid off and let it bleed...

    So, honest question: if we're not trading them, do you resign Grabner for 5m like they talked about last night? Do you resign Nash for 5m? If you say "yes" then I can see your point. If you want those guys back then I get where you're coming from. I don't agree - but I get it.

    But what I don't understand is the idea that you can't move them because this team is in a playoff position and their removal will make the team weaker.

    So what? Why are we so afraid to suck? Why would you possibly desire a 7th or 8th place finish and another playoff whimper instead of a 1st rounder (or a slew of prospects) and a hope for the future?

    Stepan is gone, Girardi is gone, Hank is 35, times are changing. That team from 2014 is dead. The sooner we realize that, the sooner we can all move on. The Rangers need to stop living in "Hank's Window" and take a look around at reality. The longer they kick the can, the further down the black hole we go. The Dark Ages were not built by last place teams. They were built by teams that barely missed the playoffs. Learn from history. See the writing on the wall. Get something for Nash/Grabner because they are over 30 and the most valuable pieces available.
    If the East was any good and had teams that were flat out unbeatable, I'd agree with you. I happen to think this team with some tinkering can be a legit contender.

    I'd think about bringing Nash and Grabner back. I would. And like I said, I'd deal Miller and Hayes for D help.

    Lundqvist is playing back to his capabilities. I ride a top goalie on his game. I don't trade young assets for a rental, nor do I pack it in and give up on the season. I'd trade young assets for equally young if not slightly older assets that fill needs. Like a center, a scorer or a Dman.

    Now if they play .500 till the trade deadline...... Yeah I sell everything. As is? They don't look any worse than anyone in the conference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sod16 View Post
    OK. I looked it up. 23rd overall picks for 2003-2012:

    Ryan Kesler
    Anrej Mezaros
    Nicklaus Begfors
    Semyon Varlamov
    Jonathon Blum
    Tyler Cuma
    Tim Erixon
    Mark Pysyk
    Joe Morrow
    Mike Maltheson

    Trade a good player for the 23rd pick, and you get a one in ten chance at a Ryan Kesler. You also get a better than one in ten chance at a Tim Erixon.
    Why limit is to the 23rd pick? What about 20 - 30 in those years? Limiting it to 23 relies on the drafting ability and organizational needs of the specific team drafting in that specific spot in that specific year...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    Rip the band-aid off and let it bleed...

    So what? Why are we so afraid to suck? Why would you possibly desire a 7th or 8th place finish and another playoff whimper instead of a 1st rounder (or a slew of prospects) and a hope for the future?

    Stepan is gone, Girardi is gone, Hank is 35, times are changing. That team from 2014 is dead. The sooner we realize that, the sooner we can all move on. The Rangers need to stop living in "Hank's Window" and take a look around at reality. The longer they kick the can, the further down the black hole we go. The Dark Ages were not built by last place teams. They were built by teams that barely missed the playoffs. Learn from history. See the writing on the wall. Get something for Nash/Grabner because they are over 30 and the most valuable pieces available.

    And fuck, I'll put this here to. Draft picks don't guarantee shit.


    Like winning the cup is so easy? Rebuilding is a guaranteed cup?

    Of the last 9 cups, Pitt and Chicago account for 6.

    Chicago first won in 2009-2010. Prior to that, from 1997 to 2008 (12 years) they absolutely sucked. Record of 343 - 414 - 145. 7th fewest wins in the league. Between 1997 and 2005, they had 8 top 15 draft picks and they still sucked enough to draft Toews #3 in 2006 and Kane #1 in 2007. Is that what you want the Rangers to do? Suck miserably until they luck into drafting a Toews and a Kane?

    Pittsburgh first won in 2008-2009. Prior to that, from 2001 to 2006 they had the FEWEST wins in the NHL. 100 - 178 - 50. During those 5 years they drafted #5, #1, #2, #1, #2. They were lucky enough to draft two players better than Toews and Kane in Malkin and Crosby. They got lucky that there was generational talent available to coincide with the beginning of their suckiness.

    See Edmonton for what 8 straight top 10 picks will do without generational talent, Buffalo has had 5 straight. Arizona has had 8 picks in the top 8 (including the #7 they traded to us) in the past 13 drafts.

    Let's see...Washington had 12 first round picks between 2002 and 2007, to include a #1, #4, and #5. They haven't won a cup or as many playoff games as the Rangers.

    What else...The Trashers/Jets are finally having a good year. Since their inception in 1998 - 1999 to 2015 - 2016 they went 518 - 593 - 167. That's second worst in the league for 17 years. They had 2 #1 picks; 3 #2 picks; 1 each #3, #4, #7, and #10; 2 each #8 and #9. That's 13 top ten picks with an overall playoff record of 0 - 8. Fan-fucking-tastic to have to live through that if your a fan of theirs.

    Fuck rebuilding, I'd rather watch playoff hockey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    And fuck, I'll put this here to. Draft picks don't guarantee shit.


    Like winning the cup is so easy? Rebuilding is a guaranteed cup?

    Of the last 9 cups, Pitt and Chicago account for 6.

    Chicago first won in 2009-2010. Prior to that, from 1997 to 2008 (12 years) they absolutely sucked. Record of 343 - 414 - 145. 7th fewest wins in the league. Between 1997 and 2005, they had 8 top 15 draft picks and they still sucked enough to draft Toews #3 in 2006 and Kane #1 in 2007. Is that what you want the Rangers to do? Suck miserably until they luck into drafting a Toews and a Kane?

    Pittsburgh first won in 2008-2009. Prior to that, from 2001 to 2006 they had the FEWEST wins in the NHL. 100 - 178 - 50. During those 5 years they drafted #5, #1, #2, #1, #2. They were lucky enough to draft two players better than Toews and Kane in Malkin and Crosby. They got lucky that there was generational talent available to coincide with the beginning of their suckiness.

    See Edmonton for what 8 straight top 10 picks will do without generational talent, Buffalo has had 5 straight. Arizona has had 8 picks in the top 8 (including the #7 they traded to us) in the past 13 drafts.

    Let's see...Washington had 12 first round picks between 2002 and 2007, to include a #1, #4, and #5. They haven't won a cup or as many playoff games as the Rangers.

    What else...The Trashers/Jets are finally having a good year. Since their inception in 1998 - 1999 to 2015 - 2016 they went 518 - 593 - 167. That's second worst in the league for 17 years. They had 2 #1 picks; 3 #2 picks; 1 each #3, #4, #7, and #10; 2 each #8 and #9. That's 13 top ten picks with an overall playoff record of 0 - 8. Fan-fucking-tastic to have to live through that if your a fan of theirs.

    Fuck rebuilding, I'd rather watch playoff hockey.
    You have become my favorite poster lately. Agreed agreed agreed agreed agreed agreed agreed.

    This team can not she'd Lundqvist, and they will not rebuild and suck until he is gone. Shit, it probably won't happen then either. Im not convinced that they have to.

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    Sure, lets do more of the same. Because that's gotten us...how many Cups exactly in the past 75 years? But yeah, screw trying to rebuild, because what we're doing obviously works. The team is mediocre, with several glaring deficiencies, no assets to trade (so good luck pulling Joe Thornton at the deadline, unless you're going to send Miller and Skjei the other way, and by the sound of it some people would love that move), no blue-chip prospects to speak of, and a starting goalie pushing 35. Future's bright people. Real bright. I'm sure we're only one piece away this year too. Who's the next Nash/Yandle/Eric Staal/MSL to put this team over the top finally?
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    Nash more than likely won't be on this roster come next season.
    Grabner i'd say has a 50/50 chance. Unless something drastic happens, I'd probably look at moving Nash before the deadline.

    He's currently 12th on this team in scoring.
    He is no longer a key part of this teams success, factor in his typical playoff performance, I doubt he makes much difference post season compared to slotting someone else up/in.

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