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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangers4Life View Post
    We all have our opinions, no need hammer others opinions or call them clowns just because they may not match yours. Josh and LLTK are bright guys.
    That’s fine. But they have no problem being nasty towards my opinion. Pull my head out of my ass and so on. I have no problem with somebody having a different opinion but when you’re being ridiculed by multiple posters more belligerent than the next it’s hard not to respond in kind. Especially less then 24 hours in having these discussions my opinion at the very least is proven reasonable by actual hockey insiders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    That’s fine. But they have no problem being nasty towards my opinion. Pull my head out of my ass and so on. I have no problem with somebody having a different opinion but when you’re being ridiculed by multiple posters more belligerent than the next it’s hard not to respond in kind. Especially less then 24 hours in having these discussions my opinion at the very least is proven reasonable by actual hockey insiders.
    Biggest issue with this board. I love the people who run it and some of the community, but I've had to pull back my involvement due to some of the "argument for the sake of argument" ... arguing. With that said, curb your involvement yourself, message a mod, or keep it moving. Not worth derailing a thread.

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    Fair enough. I’m passionate just like anybody else who decides to waste their time posting about a sports team. Ufas get traded every year at the deadline. Usually it’s the rangers in on the buying. I post they should sell and it’s pessimism and trade the whole team and pull your head out of your ass. Or even better my paragraph structure. Seriously?

    That said I’ll pull back.

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    maybe we need to step back how many times we repeat our selves ,but there is alot of truth to what franny is saying,i have seen it from the rangers too many times

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    Nope. What do we know? All silent from the resident milburys
    I've always said I'd make a move to upgrade the team. And I also said I didn't want to trade away players for shit picks if we were in a playoff spot. It's not hard to understand. You keep putting words in my mouth to extend the discussion.

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    One gives their opinion and if it doesn't agree with another's, that person is ridiculed, demeaned, abased or cursed at and then if the first person responds in kind, or frequently not even in kind, the infraction/warning button is pushed. It would not happen face to face; only on a message board where anonymity prevails. It all makes sense being that everyone on here appears to be a NYR fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LONG TIME FAN View Post
    One gives their opinion and if it doesn't agree with another's, that person is ridiculed, demeaned, abased or cursed at and then if the first person responds in kind, or frequently not even in kind, the infraction/warning button is pushed. It would not happen face to face; only on a message board where anonymity prevails. It all makes sense being that everyone on here appears to be a NYR fan.
    Incorrect. When your opinion is disagreed with, provided the objection is about the topic, and not the user, it's left to its own devices to be as fleshed out as both parties are willing to go.

    When either party, or both, venture into the territory of insulting one another, warnings and infractions tend to follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    Fair enough. I’m passionate just like anybody else who decides to waste their time posting about a sports team. Ufas get traded every year at the deadline. Usually it’s the rangers in on the buying. I post they should sell and it’s pessimism and trade the whole team and pull your head out of your ass. Or even better my paragraph structure. Seriously?

    That said I’ll pull back.
    Dude, i don't give 2 fucks about your paragraph structure, sentence structure, spelling, capitalization, punctuation, or your use of there, their and they're. When your posts are a brick of 15+ straight lines of text its difficult and annoying to read. Just throw some spaces in there so its easier on the eyes. A)

    2) Sorry if, pessimism offends you, but again its literal definition is to believe the worst will happen or have no hope in the future. That was pretty much the theme of your posts, which is fine. You want to see some changes. Cool. It's still a pessimistic view of things. As opposed to the optimistic view, that if get into the playoffs anything can happen. Both are fine. Neither is offensive.

    The whole argument isn't about buying or selling. Its about when one of the two will happen...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    Dude, i don't give 2 fucks about your paragraph structure, sentence structure, spelling, capitalization, punctuation, or your use of there, their and they're. When your posts are a brick of 15+ straight lines of text its difficult and annoying to read. Just throw some spaces in there so its easier on the eyes. A)

    2) Sorry if, pessimism offends you, but again its literal definition is to believe the worst will happen or have no hope in the future. That was pretty much the theme of your posts, which is fine. You want to see some changes. Cool. It's still a pessimistic view of things. As opposed to the optimistic view, that if get into the playoffs anything can happen. Both are fine. Neither is offensive.

    The whole argument isn't about buying or selling. Its about when one of the two will happen...
    This is the crux of the issue, this is not the way to build a consistent cup contender. I'd rather give up a couple of seasons as a wild card team with long shots at the cup, and miss the playoffs for a couple of years if it means rebuilding the team and giving us a much better chance at winning the cup in the future. It's the difference in managing year-to-year (like the Rangers) vs other franchises that have a long term plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Incorrect. When your opinion is disagreed with, provided the objection is about the topic, and not the user, it's left to its own devices to be as fleshed out as both parties are willing to go.

    When either party, or both, venture into the territory of insulting one another, warnings and infractions tend to follow.

    Incorrect? Not hardly, imho. Moderators have unbridled power and use it at their own discretion. There have been many instances on this and other boards where posts have been removed, posters reprimanded and infractions/warnings given for trivial reasons.

    Unfortunately, my original statement rings true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fletch View Post
    This is the crux of the issue, this is not the way to build a consistent cup contender. I'd rather give up a couple of seasons as a wild card team with long shots at the cup, and miss the playoffs for a couple of years if it means rebuilding the team and giving us a much better chance at winning the cup in the future. It's the difference in managing year-to-year (like the Rangers) vs other franchises that have a long term plan.
    This is what my entire argument has been based on. In my opinion, the bolded part here is a pipe dream. I've listed examples of how many teams now: Pitt, Chi, LA, Florida, Buff, ATL/Winn, Arizona, etc. It wasn't missing the playoffs for a couple of years. They were the worst teams in the league for extended periods of time. Multiple, as in 7-10+, top ten picks and the only thing that saved the teams that turned it around and won cups is being shitty and lucky enough to get a top 3 pick in a year with a generational talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LONG TIME FAN View Post
    Incorrect? Not hardly, imho. Moderators have unbridled power and use it at their own discretion. There have been many instances on this and other boards where posts have been removed, posters reprimanded and infractions/warnings given for trivial reasons.

    Unfortunately, my original statement rings true.
    Yeah? Show me the evidence.

    You'd think, you know, considering I run the board, that I know how it operates. Especially regarding discipline. But apparently not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    This is what my entire argument has been based on. In my opinion, the bolded part here is a pipe dream. I've listed examples of how many teams now: Pitt, Chi, LA, Florida, Buff, ATL/Winn, Arizona, etc. It wasn't missing the playoffs for a couple of years. They were the worst teams in the league for extended periods of time. Multiple, as in 7-10+, top ten picks and the only thing that saved the teams that turned it around and won cups is being shitty and lucky enough to get a top 3 pick in a year with a generational talent.
    Which do you think is of more value to the chance of the Rangers winning a Stanley Cup in the near future — holding onto UFAs like Grabner, Nash, etc. plus keeping McDonagh and Zuccarello, or "judiciously selling" among the group for a myriad of high-level prospects and first-round picks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    This is what my entire argument has been based on. In my opinion, the bolded part here is a pipe dream. I've listed examples of how many teams now: Pitt, Chi, LA, Florida, Buff, ATL/Winn, Arizona, etc. It wasn't missing the playoffs for a couple of years. They were the worst teams in the league for extended periods of time. Multiple, as in 7-10+, top ten picks and the only thing that saved the teams that turned it around and won cups is being shitty and lucky enough to get a top 3 pick in a year with a generational talent.
    Having a generational talent sure helps but having a good young core is essential to be a consistent contender. Chicago is more than Kane, and Pittsburgh is more than Crosby. The Rangers have a tendency to acquire the shiniest past-peak name, instead of building a young core. I'd advocate the approach Phil suggests.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Which do you think is of more value to the chance of the Rangers winning a Stanley Cup in the near future — holding onto UFAs like Grabner, Nash, etc. plus keeping McDonagh and Zuccarello, or "judiciously selling" among the group for a myriad of high-level prospects and first-round picks?
    because our young core of Miller, Zibanejad, Hayes, Vesey, etc isn't good enough (IMO) to be a consistent Cup contender - we need more talent in our top 6 to boost our existing core. And instead of grabbing a temporary past-prime fix for a year or two, we should be looking to get Top 6 players before their prime.

    We need to move beyond the strategy of hoping that Lundqvist is the best player on the ice for 4 consecutive rounds of the playoffs - he's 36 years old and 2011-2013 Lundqvist is gone forever. Having the goalie as the best player on the ice hasn't worked for very many teams - Buffalo with Hasek, Montreal with Roy and now Price, LA with Quick. We need to get younger and more talented in our top 6, and if that means sacrificing Nash, Zuccarello, and or McDonagh, that's the price I'm willing to pay.
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    That much I agree with wholeheartedly. I've said it for years. Goalies CANNOT WIN YOU HOCKEY GAMES. They only keep you alive in ones you otherwise don't belong in long enough to steal a victory. That's not a worthwhile strategy for winning a Stanley Cup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    That much I agree with wholeheartedly. I've said it for years. Goalies CANNOT WIN YOU HOCKEY GAMES. They only keep you alive in ones you otherwise don't belong in long enough to steal a victory. That's not a worthwhile strategy for winning a Stanley Cup.
    Like I said, our generational talent plays the wrong position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Yeah? Show me the evidence.

    You'd think, you know, considering I run the board, that I know how it operates. Especially regarding discipline. But apparently not.
    I'm not going to get into a lose/lose for me discussion with you on the subject. And, I do know that you run the board and can use your discretion whenever you deem fit.

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    Nash for Picks in the 2018 Draft?

    It's only a losing discussion for you because you're making declarative statements about a process you've only been on one side of (not being privy to when and why other members are infracted or warned or have their posts deleted).

    The fact of the matter is that I've removed countless posts and disciplined other users for going after you. You now crying foul over being disciplined yourself is rich.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    Haha. Iím done. Another trade all our garbage for a top line center guy. All we need is you know a top line center and poof we are contenders. It hurts to try and rationalize with mentality. Iím arguing with somebody who lives in a fantasy world. Teams donít trade top line centers period. So zetterberg would be a fit. Havenít seen that before. Letís trade for a forty year old. Iím done discussing unicorns and Bigfoot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Which do you think is of more value to the chance of the Rangers winning a Stanley Cup in the near future — holding onto UFAs like Grabner, Nash, etc. plus keeping McDonagh and Zuccarello, or "judiciously selling" among the group for a myriad of high-level prospects and first-round picks?
    If you're in the the playoffs you have to take the shot. Being in the playoffs is the only way you have a shot.

    The longest current playoff drought is Carolina. 8 years. Since they last made the playoffs they've drafted #7, 12, no 1st rounder (traded #8 pick for Jordan Staal), 5, 7, 5, 13 & 21, 12. That's 8 straight years of top 15 picks and they're still on the outside looking in. The next 2 longest droughts are Buffalo and Arizona. They have tons of high end prospects.

    Again I'm not against trading any and everyone, but only if the shit play continues and we fall out of the playoff race.

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