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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Maybe THIS year this has been true to start, but the guy is a pretty good player man. He's a skater and a banger and can carry the puck pretty good as well as dish it. I feel he's waaaayyy better than you give him credit for. Easily a top 4 guy on most any team in the league.
    borderline.
    I just dont think people saw him play in Detroit, enough. Just highlights.
    Theres a reason most Wings fans were pleased to see him go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    Girardi, Staal, among others.

    None of what I said was false. Most has been backed by several people.
    As for the skating, I dont care, we have different opinions. But his skating is a main reason why he's not in the lineup right now... so... whatever.

    As for Holden, I do like parts of Holdens game, yup.
    And you made this thread complaining about Smith sitting - and ironically, the team has been winning, and the defense has looked 100x better.
    I'm sorry I have seen zero to back up what you are saying about his game and skating. More people seem to agree that he's a very good skater.

    They are winning, so there's that as a positive. I can't say the D has been 100 times better. Lundqvist has been better and the offense is clicking, but I'm not a fan of the defense.

    I started the thread to gauge whether or not anyone agreed with me about this guy being wasted talent wise and especially cap wise. That's a big chunk of change sitting in the press box. Readers seem to agree. Ain't that right Larry Brooks (he had an article about it a day or two later.

    Guess we can agree to disagree.

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    We need Smith to find his game cause Kampfer and Holden aren't going to play as well as they have forever. Both have looked pretty good recently. And to think Staal has been decent too,only a matter of time so yeah it would be nice if Smith found his game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by !br-avery! View Post
    We need Smith to find his game cause Kampfer and Holden aren't going to play as well as they have forever. Both have looked pretty good recently. And to think Staal has been decent too,only a matter of time so yeah it would be nice if Smith found his game.
    Hopefully Holden plays well enough to get some interest from other teams. He's not that bad. His cap hit is great. Just can't rely on him for a whole season. He held his own last season, until he fell apart late. He's fine offensively, except for his knack for passing across the front of his own net, but he's been shaky on the defense side. He's certainly serviceable as a bottom 4 guy. He's playing for a contract too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    AV's job was on the line. Therefore he can't allow a guy like Smith to "work through his struggles". He needed to win games, and did. Hopefully Smith gets back in because it's fucking insane to have him in the press box and Kampfer and Holden on the ice instead.
    Exactly.
    Not only AV's job was on the line, but the team was also on the verge of being in a position were they might have been mathematically highly unlikely to win at a percentage rate high enough to make the playoffs. Fortunately they dug out of that hole in the nick of time. But Smith playing through his struggles was not an option at that time.

    I also hope he gets his chit together because —*based on last year's playoffs — he is exactly the kind of player the team will need to perform well during that later part of the season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Respecttheblue View Post
    Exactly.

    I also hope he gets his chit together because —*based on last year's playoffs — he is exactly the kind of player the team will need to perform well during that later part of the season.
    I agree 100% with you. I actually like Smith and I think he's going to be a good player. A lot of folks think he was slower and "out of shape" coming back...fine...the guy's a playoff type player that's a necessity in the latter stages of the year when you need that grit to stand up a guy in front or clear the crease for Hank, when everyone's plugging away to tap in a tying goal at the end of regulation.

    We've been there and done it; This guy is a must down the stretch and especially the playoffs in my mind. He's gotta get his shit together and get back out on the ice, otherwise we paid a whole lot for a whole lotta nothing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    I agree 100% with you. I actually like Smith and I think he's going to be a good player. A lot of folks think he was slower and "out of shape" coming back...fine...the guy's a playoff type player that's a necessity in the latter stages of the year when you need that grit to stand up a guy in front or clear the crease for Hank, when everyone's plugging away to tap in a tying goal at the end of regulation.

    We've been there and done it; This guy is a must down the stretch and especially the playoffs in my mind. He's gotta get his shit together and get back out on the ice, otherwise we paid a whole lot for a whole lotta nothing!
    I agree with you, he's a good player and will be important to a playoff run.

    But showing up for the season - after getting a new contract, especially - out of shape, is not "fine." He doesn't really deserve a pass. I think he deserves a shot to work through it and this is something you can get past, but weddings or not, there's no excuse to be in bad shape to start the year if there's no injury.

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    No doubt! That's a GM's worst nightmare. I'm with you Future. How long does it take for a guy to get back into shape though? The off season is only 4 months. He can't be too far gone! LOL

    We're gonna need him though, like you said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    I agree 100% with you. I actually like Smith and I think he's going to be a good player. A lot of folks think he was slower and "out of shape" coming back...fine...the guy's a playoff type player that's a necessity in the latter stages of the year when you need that grit to stand up a guy in front or clear the crease for Hank, when everyone's plugging away to tap in a tying goal at the end of regulation.

    We've been there and done it; This guy is a must down the stretch and especially the playoffs in my mind. He's gotta get his shit together and get back out on the ice, otherwise we paid a whole lot for a whole lotta nothing!
    I think most of us agree with this, as well. I even mentioned it in my 2nd post in this thread.

    I think the discussion came from the op asking/wondering why Smith is not in the lineup... and then disliked and rejected the responses.

    We all know hes not going to be out of the lineup forever, and we know Holden and Kampfer wont play this well, or stay in the lineup for the entire season. But sometimes those names trigger people.

    I wasnt a big fan of the contract, but thats in the past. I was mostly worried about his consistency issues, especially when you only have 2 guys that are [usually] consistent, defensively. We need him to be the player we thought we signed. Hopefully hes working hard and can be an asset upon his return.
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    How long does it take to get back in shape? I seriously doubt the guy sat around eating Taco Bell and drinking beers every day. I get that others are playing well and it’s tough to slot him in.

    So, how long?

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    Over this six game great stretch of hockey Holden and especially Kampfer have been up there with the best of the NYR backliners. I'd rank them Skjei, Shattenkirk Kampfer, Staal, Holden, McDonough,

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    Quote Originally Posted by sg3 View Post
    Over this six game great stretch of hockey Holden and especially Kampfer have been up there with the best of the NYR backliners. I'd rank them Skjei, Shattenkirk Kampfer, Staal, Holden, McDonough,

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4EverRangerFrank View Post
    How long does it take to get back in shape? I seriously doubt the guy sat around eating Taco Bell and drinking beers every day. I get that others are playing well and it’s tough to slot him in.

    So, how long?
    It could take a month to get your game legs back. Remember, the majority of the league is skating and training all off season. Training camp isn't to get you back in shape. You better show up to training camp IN shape already. A coach will do some conditioning, but most of it is to test you to see if you working out all off season, or eating oreos for 5 months.
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    If he was injured, wouldn’t it be better for the organization to say that to save face from giving him that contract and having him sit? Nah, not a chance in hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4EverRangerFrank View Post
    How long does it take to get back in shape? I seriously doubt the guy sat around eating Taco Bell and drinking beers every day. I get that others are playing well and it’s tough to slot him in.

    So, how long?
    I bet he gets back in soon. Sometime this week, whether they lose or not.
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    He provided the grit we were missing last year on the Blue Line. I wouldn’t mind some of that this season. We’re winning and I’m not complaining. It’s obvious though that we are not a ‘bodywork’ team. Having a guy who doesn’t mind banging, especially with opposing players in front of Hank would be a much welcomed addition IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangers4Life View Post
    If he was injured, wouldn’t it be better for the organization to say that to save face from giving him that contract and having him sit? Nah, not a chance in hell.
    If it's not just his conditioning, I would lean to a medical health issue before an injury. It just doesn't make sense to hide an injury of Brendan Smith in October.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey37 View Post
    If it's not just his conditioning, I would lean to a medical health issue before an injury. It just doesn't make sense to hide an injury of Brendan Smith in October.
    Exactly, it’s not like it’s the playoffs and he has a “lower body” injury. I’m just tired of this troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangers4Life View Post
    Exactly, it’s not like it’s the playoffs and he has a “lower body” injury. I’m just tired of this troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey37 View Post
    If it's not just his conditioning, I would lean to a medical health issue before an injury. It just doesn't make sense to hide an injury of Brendan Smith in October.
    It was definitely conditioning. This specious speculation of a hidden injury is ridiculous. Most here know not to start unfounded rumors based on nothing.

    One last time, for the benefit of those who missed it the first few times. I heard Dave Maloney discuss the situation clearly and tactfully on radio and the pregame, myself. Not a rumor. He was not bashing him, more like informing the radio host what he had learned from spending time at the practice facilities, speaking to everyone, including Smith. He said, Smith admitted his struggles at the end of shifts and said he screwed up thinking all his weight training was sufficiently keeping him in shape. Essentially, he fooled himself into thinking he was in good "cardio" condition.

    This isn't some nuanced detective story. Occam's Razor in effect. Smith showed he was out of condition. It was noticeable to everyone, at the end of shifts. Smith's fault. A few goals resulted from a player getting by him or by not getting back quick enough. AV felt justified to bench him. Since this is punishment, consequences for a professional omission, Smith sits until the team loses. Whether it was an innocent oversight or a lazy one, it should not happen. Therefore, until a loss, injury or another Dman shits the bed, Smith has to deal with it.

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