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    Measuring Shattenkirk's Power Play Impact

    There are a handful of players—predominantly snipers—in the league who you can argue single-handedly make a power play dangerous and the names shouldn’t be surprising; Alex Ovechkin, Sidney Crosby, Steven Stamkos, Brent Burns. But Shattenkirk doesn’t really fit in that company. Instead, he falls in line with the guys who succeed by allowing the talent around them to thrive. Kris Letang, Mike Green, and, for comparison’s sake, Derek Stepan.

    Since Shattenkirk isn’t going to be the devastating shooter that the Rangers’ power play needs, his impact might be smaller than conventional wisdom suggests. He’ll make the unit better with his offensive-zone vision alone, but it’s tough to say that he packs the punch necessary to be the catalyst for an elite unit, especially since he hasn’t before.

    Compounding on this is the fact that, quite simply, the Rangers don’t generate a high volume of power plays. The uptempo, contact-averse style that Vigneault prefers simply doesn’t lend itself to a consistent flow of man-advantage opportunities. Last season, the Rangers finished tied for 23rd with 233 attempts while over the last three seasons, cumulatively, the Rangers are tied for last in the league with 691 opportunities.

    So, therein lies the rub in signing a guy who’s only certain value comes on the power play; the low number of chances facilitates a negligible difference in goals.

    Assuming Shattenkirk’s presence boosts the Rangers to a 24.5% success rate (Buffalo’s league-leading mark last year), and the Rangers earn 240 advantages, the Rangers would tally 59 power play goals and improve on last year’s mark by 12. Assuming 230 attempts and 21.3% (St. Louis’ rate last year), the Rangers would tally just 49 goals. Split the difference and we’re looking at another seven or so goals.

    Is that an improvement that makes the Rangers any stronger in the standings? Does that win you more than another game or two? More importantly, does another handful of power play goals compensate for the fact that Shattenkirk isn’t an elite top-pair defenseman, should he struggle with the defensive responsibilities that McDonagh’s partner will necessarily assume?

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    One way to judge the Shattenkirk signing is within the context of the little known advanced stat, Replacement Over Girardi (ROG). Shattenkirk's ROG % is 10,000 Sun Units. When you take Girardi's buyout savings from Shattenkirk's contract, you get, "of course we're fucking better off".

    I can't really argue with much of what you wrote though, Mike. I think Shattenkirk has to be evaluated in how he's part of the defensive overhall and we won't really know that until we see how the match ups shake out. Still, you point out he's been historically worth about 24 points on the power play, he'll also put up another 25 or so points at even strength as well.

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    Last season, the Rangers finished tied for 23rd with 233 attempts while over the last three seasons, cumulatively, the Rangers are tied for last in the league with 691 opportunities.
    This is super interesting.
    Out: Girardi, Klein, Stepan, Raanta
    In: Shattenkirk, Desharnais, Pavalec, DeAngelo/Bereglazalov/Pionk

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    Quote Originally Posted by booze and wingz View Post
    This is super interesting.
    Yea that stuck out to me when I saw it. You'd think that with the way the rangers make teams chase, that wouldn't be the case.

    I think it's a combination of a more finesse system, players who aren't overtly aggressive, and of course and NHL conspiracy lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    Yea that stuck out to me when I saw it. You'd think that with the way the rangers make teams chase, that wouldn't be the case.

    I think it's a combination of a more finesse system, players who aren't overtly aggressive, and of course and NHL conspiracy lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanJesus View Post
    One way to judge the Shattenkirk signing is within the context of the little known advanced stat, Replacement Over Girardi (ROG). Shattenkirk's ROG % is 10,000 Sun Units. When you take Girardi's buyout savings from Shattenkirk's contract, you get, "of course we're fucking better off".

    I can't really argue with much of what you wrote though, Mike. I think Shattenkirk has to be evaluated in how he's part of the defensive overhall and we won't really know that until we see how the match ups shake out. Still, you point out he's been historically worth about 24 points on the power play, he'll also put up another 25 or so points at even strength as well.
    Another way to judge the signing is to actually let the guy play a fuckin game first. Special teams can either make or break a game, but the majority of games are at ES. 25 more points at ES from the back will make more of a difference than any pp specialist or whatever you want to call them. There's going to be some woes from Shatty, but he's going to bring a lot more to the table than what we've seen in the past. 7 more pp goals could be 7 more wins, it could also be 0 more wins. Lets see what happens on the ice when the season starts.
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    Anecdotally? Minimal. Rarely does one player drastically shake up a special teams unit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanJesus View Post
    One way to judge the Shattenkirk signing is within the context of the little known advanced stat, Replacement Over Girardi (ROG). Shattenkirk's ROG % is 10,000 Sun Units. When you take Girardi's buyout savings from Shattenkirk's contract, you get, "of course we're fucking better off.
    "Little known advanced stat...ROG..." I'm LMAO!

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    Interesting OP. Calibrating expectations accordingly.

    But the expectations calibration for me is more a team thing than a live-and-die by Shattenkirk thing. I guess my thinking is kind of in the mode of what American Jesus said.
    But TBH I am more concerned about how the team holds up to strong pressure in the defensive zone and how it holds a lead when the opponent decides they better pull their finger out.
    The recent Rangers teams now share a sense of reaching sight of the summit. But the last part of the climb is the hardest. My gut tells me we are not really all that much closer than we were during the Ottawa series. There's more team engineering — or stepping up on the part of certain players — to be done.
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    offensive impact:not improving the defensive zone play
    the ratio to watch.

    hopefully he can boost the PP enough. Although his even strength offensive numbers are comparable to dead legs Dan, his strength is on the man advantage. If he can outproduce his replacement by 15 - 20 points, not counting what he contributes on the pp that wont show up on the scoresheet, youre talking an extra goal for every 1/3 games.

    That's going to do two things - give us more leads, and give us bigger leads. Hopefully we dont see as many games with the Rangers pinned in their own zone the entire period trying to protect a 1 goal lead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanJesus View Post
    One way to judge the Shattenkirk signing is within the context of the little known advanced stat, Replacement Over Girardi (ROG). Shattenkirk's ROG % is 10,000 Sun Units. When you take Girardi's buyout savings from Shattenkirk's contract, you get, "of course we're fucking better off".

    I can't really argue with much of what you wrote though, Mike. I think Shattenkirk has to be evaluated in how he's part of the defensive overhall and we won't really know that until we see how the match ups shake out. Still, you point out he's been historically worth about 24 points on the power play, he'll also put up another 25 or so points at even strength as well.
    Repped for ROG lol. Hilarious and probably the most important statline here.

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