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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    No, he didn't lose his college eligibility. He forfeited it. The supplemental draft is for players expecting to play college football, but lost their eligibility due to academic issues, being denied a request for a 5th year of eligibility, having a redshirt denied, etc. That is why there is a deadline for underclassmen to make their decision of declaring or returning to school. Again if he declared before the deadline, and been in the regular draft,there would have been no NFL suspension. The NFL has gone through its controversies of people playing the system because they don't like the draft order and/or they try to get to a specific team.
    He lost it when he signed an agent, he didn't forfeit it. In this context, the only thing that matters is that he was suspended for something he did before he was an NFL employee and never broke an NFL rule. So again, the specific details don't matter.

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    I'm sorry, you're incorrect. He did break an NFL rule. He circumvented the draft process. For the third time. If he declared by the deadline and enter the normal draft, he would not have been suspended by the NFL. Underclassmen, which Pryor was, have to declare for the Draft by a deadline. Choosing to to hire an agent after the deadline, is circumventing the draft process to enter the supplemental draft. All supplemental draft applications are reviewed on a case by case basis, hence why Pryor's application was originally denied. He was later allowed to enter the draft, but suspended for circumventing the draft process. If this was not the case, top prospects hoping to avoid being drafted by the Browns or Jaguars would follow Pryor's path, but they don't, because it isn't allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    I'm sorry, you're incorrect. He did break an NFL rule. He circumvented the draft process. For the third time. If he declared by the deadline and enter the normal draft, he would not have been suspended by the NFL. Underclassmen, which Pryor was, have to declare for the Draft by a deadline. Choosing to to hire an agent after the deadline, is circumventing the draft process to enter the supplemental draft. All supplemental draft applications are reviewed on a case by case basis, hence why Pryor's application was originally denied. He was later allowed to enter the draft, but suspended for circumventing the draft process. If this was not the case, top prospects hoping to avoid being drafted by the Browns or Jaguars would follow Pryor's path, but they don't, because it isn't allowed.
    He was suspended based on "integrity." He never broke a rule. Circumventing doesn't mean he broke a rule. Should Eli have been suspended because he told San Diego he wasn't going to play for them? Same thing. The suspension was also based on the fact that the a contributing factor to hiring an agent and forgoing his next season at Ohio St. was because he faced a 5-game suspension.Pryor wasn't an NFL employee and there was no NFL rule he could break. So his scenario sets a precedent for the NFL suspending a player for conduct before he was in the NFL and, therefore, not suspending Mixon is hypocritical compared to Zeke.

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    No it doesn't. He wasn't suspended for anything he did at Ohio State. He was suspended for how he entered the league. Eli is not the same thing. Eli enter the Draft and was drafted by San Diego. They didn't have to trade him. They drafted his rights. They could have said fuck you Eli you don't wanna sign then you don't play or get paid. They chose to trade him. Did the NFL suspend Reggie Bush for NCAA violations? No because the NFL doesn't care. You're trying to build these conspiracy theories that aren't there.

    Bottom line, if Pryor declared by the deadline and entered the draft the right way there would be no suspension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    No it doesn't. He wasn't suspended for anything he did at Ohio State. He was suspended for how he entered the league. Eli is not the same thing. Eli enter the Draft and was drafted by San Diego. They didn't have to trade him. They drafted his rights. They could have said fuck you Eli you don't wanna sign then you don't play or get paid. They chose to trade him. Did the NFL suspend Reggie Bush for NCAA violations? No because the NFL doesn't care. You're trying to build these conspiracy theories that aren't there.

    Bottom line, if Pryor declared by the deadline and entered the draft the right way there would be no suspension.
    You're so dense. Pryor hired an agent WHILE HE WAS AT OHIO STATE. That act is what he was suspended for, regardless of how you want to term it. If he did get suspended for "how he entered the league," then the league is stupid for allowing him to enter. They could have just denied him the ability to enter the supplemental, but they didn't. They suspended him for something he did before he was an NFL employee. And your bottom line is totally irrelevant. It doesn't matter whether he would have been suspended for that or not.

    Eli is EXACTLY the same because its an act that doesn't break a rule but influences how a player goes through the draft process. It circumvents the process.

    Also, "If this was not the case, top prospects hoping to avoid being drafted by the Browns or Jaguars would follow Pryor's path, but they don't, because it isn't allowed" is totally wrong. Because entering the supplemental draft has 0 impact on which team selects you. The draft order is still, essentially, bad teams first. If anything, what Eli did is what prevents that.

    It's got nothing to do with conspiracy theories. It's setting a precedent that players can be suspended for what they did in college.

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    Yup I'm dense. Do mods get reprimanded for personal insults?

    As I've said multiple times, his original application for the supplemental draft was denied. He then told he could enter, but would be suspended for the first 5 games, which was due to him choosing to declare for the draft and hire and agent after the deadline. If you don't see how that is against the NFL's rules I don't know what to tell you. He also could have hired an agent, went to play in Canda for a year, and then entered the NFL draft the following year with no suspension, because trading swag for tattoos or hiring an agent weren't why he was suspended.

    But whatever, good talk. I forgot you're always right.

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    You have the wrong timeline, he was never denied entry into the supplemental. What NFL rule did he break?

    But the NFL has already set a bad precedent when it comes to discipline for violating NCAA rules, and it’s now fair to criticize the league if it doesn’t discipline Kelly for violating NCAA rules. That bad precedent was set when the NFL suspended quarterback Terrelle Pryor for the first five games of his NFL career, a suspension that was the same as the suspension that he would have served if he had remained at Ohio State for his senior year. The NFL’s contention was that Pryor deserved punishment because he manipulated the league’s eligibility rules, but the reality is that the NFL allowed Pryor to enter the supplemental draft. Once the league ruled that he was eligible to play, suspending him for something he had done previously never made a lot of sense: Why is it the NFL’s place to enforce a suspension that the NCAA handed down?

    At the time of the Pryor suspension, the NFL probably thought it was a unique situation that wouldn’t repeat itself. But it turned out that shortly after the league suspended Pryor, the Colts hired his old coach, Jim Tressel, to be their replay assistant. Tressel had been fired at Ohio State in connection with the same NCAA rules violations that got Pryor suspended, so the Colts’ decision to bring Tressel on board was heavily questioned — why is Tressel allowed to coach right away if Pryor isn’t allowed to play right away? After those questions surfaced, Tressel was quickly handed a six-game suspension of his own. The Tressel suspension was made by the Colts, although NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said that if the Colts hadn’t suspended Tressel, he would have.

    Ultimately, the NFL set a bad precedent when it suspended Pryor for something he had done when he wasn’t even an NFL player yet, then compounded that bad precedent after it was caught off-guard when the Colts hired Tressel. The NFL almost certainly won’t compound that mistake again and suspend Kelly for his NCAA transgressions. And that will serve as a reminder that the league erred when it suspended Pryor.
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...errelle-pryor/

    So the league simply upheld the NCAA suspension - it suspended Tressel too, which I forgot.

    But Pryor does have a unique case that should give him serious consideration for the supplemental draft because, according to his attorney, Larry James, Ohio State officials have agreed a completed investigation that occurred past the Jan. 15 underclassmen deadline determined he would not have been eligible for any games for the 2011 season.
    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/6...ng-sources-say

    Prior missed the deadline because of the ongoing investigation. The suspension was levied AFTER the draft window, so when he signed an agent, he was then ineligible. He never broke a rule, there were just questions as to whether or not his ineligibility qualified him for the supplemental. When the NFL determined he was qualified, he was suspended from the NFL to uphold the NCAA suspension. In essence, it was a threat to players who might follow the same action in the future, but it was a suspension based on what he did in college. Pryor never broke an NFL rule, and never did anything as an NFL employee to warrant suspension.

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    Dead line to declare for the Draft: Jan 15th, 2011

    Pryor Suspended by Ohio State: Dec 23rd, 2010

    From a link in your article...

    The NFL has rejected the appeal of Raiders rookie quarterback Terrelle Pryor, saying that Pryor will remain suspended for the first five games of the regular season for “improperly manipulating the NFL’s eligibility rules.”

    NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell released a statement saying Pryor attempted to sidestep the league’s rules on eligibility by purposely getting himself declared ineligible to play his senior season at Ohio State. The Raiders can add Pryor to their active roster following their game at Houston on October 9.

    “Based on Mr. Pryor’s actions, I believe it is a fair conclusion that he intentionally took steps to ensure that he would be declared ineligible for further college play and would be able to enter the NFL via the Supplemental Draft,” Goodell said in the statement. “Taken as a whole, I found that this conduct was tantamount to a deliberate manipulation of our eligibility rules in a way that distorts the underlying principles and calls into question the integrity of those rules.”
    “This smacks of a calculated effort to manipulate our eligibility rules in a way that undermines the integrity of, and public confidence in, those rules,” Goodell said. “Mr. Pryor made an affirmative decision to remain in college and play for Ohio State in 2011. He later reconsidered and decided that he wanted to enter the NFL. In order to do so, he needed to forfeit his remaining college eligibility and took steps to ensure that would happen. Based on the specific facts presented here, I conclude that Mr. Pryor’s actions warranted imposition of conditions on his entry into the NFL, namely, that he serve the same five-game suspension that he had previously agreed to while at Ohio State.”
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...me-suspension/

    Yet NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has sat technically undecided but privately opposed to granting Pryor eligibility into the supplemental draft because of an apparent belief that the quarterback intentionally made himself ineligible after the regular April draft. That's why Pryor seeks a private meeting with the commissioner to make his case.

    Goodell has had his security department review the facts of Pryor's ineligibility for the 2011 collegiate season. By not yet granting Pryor eligibility for the draft while clearing other players such as North Carolina defensive end Michael McAdoo and Georgia running back Caleb King, one can conclude that NFL security has not provided a favorable review on Pryor's case.
    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/6...lemental-draft

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    All of which is to say that he did things while in college that didn't explicitly break NFL rules.

    When you use words like sidestep and manipulate, you're admitting that no rules were broken.

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    Will play in season opener vs. the NYG.

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    Here's why Ezekiel Elliott can play in Week 1 despite suspension being upheld
    The judge hearing Elliott's case got the NFL and NFLPA to agree to let the suspension start later


    Dallas Cowboys running back Ezekiel Elliott saw his six-game suspension for violating the NFL's personal conduct policy upheld by arbitrator Harold Henderson on Wednesday evening.
    Normally, this would mean that Elliott is ineligible to play and cannot even be at the Cowboys' facility until the suspension is complete. But that's not the case for Zeke. He's allowed to play in Week 1 against the Giants.
    Why? Here's the NFL's statement on the matter.


    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/h...-being-upheld/
    Last edited by LONG TIME FAN; 09-06-2017 at 11:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LONG TIME FAN View Post
    Here's why Ezekiel Elliott can play in Week 1 despite suspension being upheld
    The judge hearing Elliott's case got the NFL and NFLPA to agree to let the suspension start later


    Dallas Cowboys running back Ezekiel Elliott saw his six-game suspension for violating the NFL's personal conduct policy upheld by arbitrator Harold Henderson on Wednesday evening.
    Normally, this would mean that Elliott is ineligible to play and cannot even be at the Cowboys' facility until the suspension is complete. But that's not the case for Zeke. He's allowed to play in Week 1 against the Giants.
    Why? Here's the NFL's statement on the matter.


    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/h...-being-upheld/
    League is totally against the Cowboys. Mara has the league in his pocket. Suspended, but not against the Giants.. I'm sure Mara was behind this.

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    Gonna continue playing pending further review. This'll end up in court ala Tom Brady vs. NFL.

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