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    Should we be worried that there isn't much talk in the media about this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    Idk, I think his ceiling is those guys....and that's assuming that he's not better than RNH and Duchene. He already has as many 50-point seasons as Jordan Staal, and would have more if he hadn't gotten hurt this year.
    Mika hasn't done enough to be compared to those guys.

    Staal is one of the top defensive forwards in the league. And he has one of the worst contracts in the league. Not a good comparison.

    He's not better than Tyler Johnson who just got a "bad" contract of 7y x 5m

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    He's not better than Tyler Johnson? I'm curious. How do you make that judgment?

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    Report: Zibanejad seeks north of $5M on contract extension
    https://www.thescore.com/news/1337775
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    Pay the man 5.2/5. We win. He is the f' n 1st line center.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsm7302 View Post
    Report: Zibanejad seeks north of $5M on contract extension
    https://www.thescore.com/news/1337775
    (via http://thesco.re/theScore_app )

    Pay the man 5.2/5. We win. He is the f' n 1st line center.
    By default. Not because he is a 1st line center... yet

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    at 5.35, he's going to be our only center in a year...

    4.5 is still high for what he does

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    5X5. Get this over with. That's a bargain.

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    Why Zibanejad Absolutely Must Sign Long-Term

    You guys really need to be reminded that this is how arbitration works?

    Players ask high. Teams counter low. Middle ground is where they meet.

    The difference between these numbers is $4.675M.

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    People on here want to give him more than what he asked for!

    Man, what an overrated player on these boards.

    Should have an internal Lidstrom cap like Detroit had; no ones making more than McDonagh or Zuccarello until you do more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    People on here want to give him more than what he asked for!

    Man, what an overrated player on these boards.

    Should have an internal Lidstrom cap like Detroit had; no ones making more than McDonagh or Zuccarello until you do more.
    Ha. That's not a bad idea at all. Especially on a player that has a lot to prove in the role he's being given this season.

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    First line center by default.... The kid has proven he has the skill to play the role. Whether he can put it together or not and succeed is another story. Regardless he is a bonafide second line center and 5m is not massive overpayment for the role he plays on this team. He is integral. Brassard was okay at 5m but not Zibs? If Zibs kills it on the first line, we take a chance in arbitration at having to pay him much more than 5m in a year. If he fails at being the number 1, 5 mil is still a reasonable/tradeable contract for what he has proven to be; a solid 2nd line center.

    Some people keep saying how terrible this contract would be yet fail to say why after being asked multiple times....so ill ask one more time....how is 5mil a bad ask when looking at comparable talent in this league and the possibility of him being even more?
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    That's a great idea... for losing talent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    Mika hasn't done enough to be compared to those guys.

    Staal is one of the top defensive forwards in the league. And he has one of the worst contracts in the league. Not a good comparison.

    He's not better than Tyler Johnson who just got a "bad" contract of 7y x 5m
    He's done as much as RNH and Duchene....he's got a better PPG in the last three seasons than Staal does in his career, so yea, it's a fine comparison.

    In what way is he not better than Johnson? Over the last two seasons he's got the same PPG and he's three years younger.

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    Tyler Johnson pays no state or city tax in Tampa. That same contract is worth 12.7% more in NYC (5M Tampa = 5.6M Manhattan)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    He's done as much as RNH and Duchene....he's got a better PPG in the last three seasons than Staal does in his career, so yea, it's a fine comparison.

    In what way is he not better than Johnson? Over the last two seasons he's got the same PPG and he's three years younger.
    And Rick Nash scored a ton of goals before coming here and look what happened. He has proven he can put up points in Ottawa with a talented forward group, NYR is a totally different team than Ottawa is. We need to see what he can do in a full season playing on the top line and playing against tougher competition. I hope he can put up the points in this role, but he is unproven in this role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYR2711 View Post
    And Rick Nash scored a ton of goals before coming here and look what happened. He has proven he can put up points in Ottawa with a talented forward group, NYR is a totally different team than Ottawa is. We need to see what he can do in a full season playing on the top line and playing against tougher competition. I hope he can put up the points in this role, but he is unproven in this role.
    Rick Nash scored 40 goals and paced 38 for his first three seasons here, so I don't really get that reference.

    The risk you're identifying here is the same as it is with every player. You have to take the risk now or you'll end up paying big time later.

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    Kreider is making 4.6 and is older and super inconsistent. How is giving Zib 5 an overpayment? 5 is a STEAL for this guy. If he's only a second line center, oh well, that's what THEY cost. He COULD be a first line talent. I'm baffled by how people think it's too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    He's done as much as RNH and Duchene....he's got a better PPG in the last three seasons than Staal does in his career, so yea, it's a fine comparison.

    In what way is he not better than Johnson? Over the last two seasons he's got the same PPG and he's three years younger.
    All you guys do is to continue to show there's really NOT a reason to sign him long term or to a high cap... keep naming random on high contracts.

    Look at the ~5m range. It's all better players or really bad contracts.
    https://www.capfriendly.com/comparab...r-johnson-7950

    It's obviously because of taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    All you guys do is to continue to show there's really NOT a reason to sign him long term or to a high cap... keep naming random on high contracts.

    Look at the ~5m range. It's all better players or really bad contracts.
    https://www.capfriendly.com/comparab...r-johnson-7950

    It's obviously because of taxes.
    You never answered, what is this based on? Single out a handful of guys on that list and and explain how they are better because I don't see them...

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    $100K per point/82. He's a 50 point player at the moment. 5 years gives the Rangers his prime (up to 29) and leaves him with one more payday if he continues to perform.

    5 year, $25M total, $5M average with some of the bonuses for lockout/buyout protection that we've seen. Limited NTC, 10 teams he can select to not be traded to July 1st of each year.

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