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    Fucking cowards. Being a Brit, stick the lot of them in Manchester or Westminster for a night and see how they get on. Fucking kids, really. That's what your ideology preaches? Fuck you and your fucked up 'god'. Cunts (sorry)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    There's no simple solution to fix this tomorrow but there are solutions that will begin to if they're embraced.
    An unequivocal deportation and immigration ban on individuals practicing Islam and those looking to travel here from known terrorist states wouldn't take much more than tomorrow.

    Not that it's practical or I'm advocating for it...I'm just saying there's a very simple and fast solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pws85nyr View Post
    Fucking cowards. Being a Brit, stick the lot of them in Manchester or Westminster for a night and see how they get on. Fucking kids, really. That's what your ideology preaches? Fuck you and your fucked up 'god'. Cunts (sorry)


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    Don't be. This is an entirely rational position to hold. Especially in the wake of children being slaughtered.

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    An unequivocal deportation and immigration ban on individuals practicing Islam and those looking to travel here from known terrorist states wouldn't take much more than tomorrow.

    Not that it's practical or I'm advocating for it...I'm just saying there's a very simple and fast solution.
    It's not just impractical, it's improbable, and would cause the U.S. governemnt to ceize under the weight of discrimination lawsuits.

    This is a problem that is unique to Islam, so I'm not actually opposed to stricter immigration laws, but the U.S. is in a privileged position with this regard — they have a godless, secular constitution that routinely divides religion and state, which not only allows for better integration (the real problem in Europe), but that no religious group ever amasses enough power to overthrow the republic in favor of theocracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    This is a problem that is unique to Islam, so I'm not actually opposed to stricter immigration laws, but the U.S. is in a privileged position with this regard — they have a godless, secular constitution that routinely divides religion and state, which not only allows for better integration (the real problem in Europe), but that no religious group ever amasses enough power to overthrow the republic in favor of theocracy.
    What are you talking about? Violence isn't unique to any religion. Murders due to extremism from people claiming to be Muslim are a percentage of a percentage of a percentage in America.

    Second, at least half the damn time the terrorists are born in the country they attack so it's not really immigrants doing it. Banning immigrants is a joke of a feel good measure that accomplishes nothing. Most radicalization is happening over the internet so the idea that banning immigration from problem countries is equivalent to sticking one's head in the sand.

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    Global terror is unique to Islam. It is in a class of its own when it comes to body count and the justifying prescriptions for it.

    Why are you limiting your criteria to the U.S.—a country with a godless Constitution and a separation of religion and government—I wonder? Perhaps because it allows you to paint Islam in a more positive light? Account for the Middle East, Northern and Central Africa, India, Pakistan, and Indonesia and your numbers get ugly in a hurry.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Global terror is unique to Islam. It is in a class of its own when it comes to body count and the justifying prescriptions for it.

    Why are you limiting your criteria to the U.S.—a country with a godless Constitution and a separation of religion and government—I wonder? Perhaps because it allows you to paint Islam in a more positive light? Account for the Middle East, Northern and Central Africa, India, Pakistan, and Indonesia and your numbers get ugly in a hurry.
    Wait, I reply to your mentioning of America, and it's ME who's limiting criteria to the US? I could use Europe who is even more outwardly racist to Middle Easterners.

    So you want me to use other areas? Like Muslims killing Muslims to say Islam is bad? What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenday4537 View Post
    Wait, I reply to your mentioning of America, and it's ME who's limiting criteria to the US? I could use Europe who is even more outwardly racist to Middle Easterners.

    So you want me to use other areas? Like Muslims killing Muslims to say Islam is bad? What?
    I mentioned the U.S. as an example of a Nation who aren't nearly as likely to be ravaged by the religion given the strong godless Constitution the U.S. has that divides religion and government as law. The U.S. also does a much better job than most other Western countries of both attracting and integrating moderate Muslims into Western society. Because they aren't permitted their own set of rules (Sharia). That's not the case in Europe or any of the other regions I mentioned, many of which already operate under it or capitulate to it by not just suggesting, but in some cases attempting to pass laws that would treat Muslims as a privileged group who can operate outside National law (which is absurd).

    However, the relatively small body count in the U.S. says nothing of the global power of political Islam (a misnomer if there ever was one, as if monotheistic religions aren't inherently political), and the body count it's responsible for. While all three monotheistic religions prescribe violence, Islam has racked up the largest relative body count of all of them.

    As to immigration, I've already said that it's impractical to even try and pass legislation banning the entry of a large swath of Muslims, but that says nothing of whether doing so would actually make the country safer. In many ways it would. Particularly culturally, as not all cultures are created equal. We actually respect women in the West. We allow them to vote, and to dress as they please. We don't allow them to be beaten. We don't allow gays to be thrown from rooftops.

    Europe is proof positive that when mass immigration by Muslims is allowed, cultural conflict abounds. Because many of these immigrants are simply seeking safe haven from war and terror, but are otherwise not actually interested in Western values.
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    Future is correct, but I don't like comparing Europe to North America in this regard. They're two different things.

    If France didn't allow Muslim immigration, they wouldn't suffer from Islamic terrorism. That's an unbreakable argument. You could make an equally true, similar argument for every European country that has allowed large swaths of economic migrants in from either Africa or the Middle East. I'm not talking catastrophic events like yesterday's either, just generic crime in general has risen in these countries and so has social unrest. Contrast France or Sweden with Poland or Hungary, who don't allow economic migrants, Norway, who are very tough on who gets in, or Iceland where they haven't made it to yet; They don't have a problem. Coincidence?

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    Now what? While it seems like encouraging, er, paying (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ge...KBN14H0OQ?il=0 ; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7561701.html) some of the less committed economic migrants to leave will probably relieve some social pressure (LOL, taxpayers) there will be many more yet who are now permanent residents and/or citizens who came under completely legal auspices while the law was in their favour. Are you going to kick them out? No, of course not. That's never going to happen, even if it was the right thing to do to save Western Civilization it comes with own set of moral and ethical dilemmas that will never be overcome.

    All across Europe, politicians and leftist media have been stating that this is just simply a fact of life now. It's completely normal, just go about your daily business and don't give it a second thought and they're right about the first bit: This is just a fact of life. There is no going back, this is going to play out in it's entirety and it's almost certainly not going to be pretty. (http://www.mediaite.com/online/leadi...of-daily-life/)

    Assimilate? It hasn't happened nor will it on the scale necessary to avoid cultural disaster. People stating that it's a second generation immigrant who has done this, or that, only continually prove this point. A quick glance at European demographics paints a pretty bleak picture. Immigrants will continue to out-breed the native populations and will eventually surpass them. Concentrated in ever larger ethnic enclaves there is little need for assimilation. It's not as if you're in dire need of finding work or anything like that, you're really quite likely to be on the dole. I'm not sure what type of society you envision that to be, but I would bet it won't be much of a secular democracy nor will it be able to keep it's socialist bona fides for very long as the population grows and the tax-payer base dwindles.

    I'll put it pretty bluntly, please understand I'm speaking in general terms, not individual terms;

    If you continue to import ultra-superstitious, illiterate, in-bred (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/heal...-children.html) migrants from the third world at the rate that has happened in the near-past and couple that with the fact that these people aren't assimilating, well, I'm not sure how you derive a positive outcome from that but I'm welcome to listen to all the benefits that arise from the current situation.

    North America (Canada and the US) is a completely different story, though I think it would be very wise to take some lessons from Europe. Canada especially, has benefited from a close relationship with former British Colonies, the cultural heavy lifting having been done hundreds of years ago it becomes much easier to assimilate. It's really an entirely different topic, though.

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    Well you basically have to assimilate to get Canadian citizenship because I'd imagine it's very hard to be a Skilled Worker or Business Class immigrant to get Permanent Resident status without doing so. The cultural heavy lifting they've done is telling people they can't live there if they aren't going to be productive.

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    As Andrew Neil asked “What lessons are we failing to learn?” the author said: “Every imaginable one, we don’t want to listen to what extremists say.

    We don’t want to believe they mean what they say. We still seem to be, even after all these years and this strange cycle, we’re not preparing to fight this ideology.

    “Our politicians I think, from all parties, are very reluctant to even name the ideology in question.

    “There is a concerted effort after an attack like that on Monday night not to listen to the sort of things that are said that would impel somebody to do something like that, to listen to what they say, what they mean.”

    Mr Murray, who wrote The Strange Death of Europe, claimed the west knows the motivation behind the attacks carried out in recent years.

    He said: “Last month the national act of mourning in Westminster Abbey after the Westminster terror attack just down the road from here the Dean of Westminster on the behalf of this nation stood up and said we may never know what would drive somebody to do this, sorry we do know.

    “We know why somebody like Khalid Masood did what he did on Westminster Bridge and outside Houses of Parliament.

    “We know why somebody like this young man did what he did on Monday night in Manchester.

    “They keep telling us, it’s just we don’t want to listen. We don’t want to recognise where it comes from.”
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