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    Quote Originally Posted by Vodka Drunkenski View Post
    At least I now know not to take your posts seriously with a response like this and the fact that you can't even correctly spell the players names.


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    I'm keeping Vesey, Buch, Zib, Miller, and Skjei. McD I'd listen to offers for, but they'd have to give us a LOT to get him. Listening to offers on everyone else. I don't want any roster players over the age of 24 back. Go full suck mode for the next 2 years, easiest way to push Hank and Staal to waive NMC's.

    Come the 2019-2020, Shestyorkin takes the staring goalie spot. McD will be 30. Zib and Miller will be 27. Vesey and Skjei will be 26. Buch will be 25. There's your core, as long as they continue to improve. If their growth stalls trade them next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    I'm keeping Vesey, Buch, Zib, Miller, and Skjei. McD I'd listen to offers for, but they'd have to give us a LOT to get him. Listening to offers on everyone else. I don't want any roster players over the age of 24 back. Go full suck mode for the next 2 years, easiest way to push Hank and Staal to waive NMC's.

    Come the 2019-2020, Shestyorkin takes the staring goalie spot. McD will be 30. Zib and Miller will be 27. Vesey and Skjei will be 26. Buch will be 25. There's your core, as long as they continue to improve. If their growth stalls trade them next year.
    I'd include Miller on the "listen to offers" list. He went through a nice stretch this year but is replaceable imo. You can make the argument that Skjei is truly are most valuable asset now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    I'm keeping Vesey, Buch, Zib, Miller, and Skjei. McD I'd listen to offers for, but they'd have to give us a LOT to get him. Listening to offers on everyone else. I don't want any roster players over the age of 24 back. Go full suck mode for the next 2 years, easiest way to push Hank and Staal to waive NMC's.

    Come the 2019-2020, Shestyorkin takes the staring goalie spot. McD will be 30. Zib and Miller will be 27. Vesey and Skjei will be 26. Buch will be 25. There's your core, as long as they continue to improve. If their growth stalls trade them next year.
    I'm in the same boat


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    My opinion: if AV is brought back it'll be a sign that we have a long summer of inactivity ahead. I'm not sure how you can ditch core players and retain the coach. You cannot build another soft team in AVs likeness. There's no point.
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    Agree with most of the things said here except that McDonagh is overrated. He's not Duncan Keith or Erik Karlsson but he's a damn good defender and in no way should get traded unless you're getting a haul and totally set on rebuilding

    Our biggest issue is we have too many small time players on this team. Both Miller and Hayes were utterly useless, and Nash not much better for his pay grade. Can't win games when the players you're relying on the most are liabilities in most of the games

    Hank continues to be bipolar, which hasn't helped. There is no middle ground with him... He's either dominant or terrible. As much as he's done for us it's time to move on

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    You can't move on from Hank until the Russian kid is ready. He's the next starter of this franchise, not raanta.
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    Well, some time in the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
    I'd include Miller on the "listen to offers" list. He went through a nice stretch this year but is replaceable imo. You can make the argument that Skjei is truly are most valuable asset now.
    Only reason I keep Miller for now is because he just turned 24, and only has 2 full years under his belt. 2 - 20 goal years and upped his assist total by 13 in year 2. He gets another shot, but if he doesn't build on this year then I start listening to offers around the deadline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    You can't move on from Hank until the Russian kid is ready. He's the next starter of this franchise, not raanta.
    You can pick up a starter or try to retain Raanta if you're able to move Hank. We're not looking to win in the next year or two. At that point, the kid comes in and becomes the next franchise goalie.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post


    A handful of big, strong swings at the blue line and perhaps a targeted trade this summer and this kind of second round snuff out doesn't (or shouldn't) happen again.

    1. At least one of Girardi or Staal need to have played their last game as a Ranger. Preferably both, but bare minimum one isn't coming back.

    2. George McPhee needs to be gifted as high as a third-round pick to take either of Kevin Klein or Nick Holden (and not Oscar Lindberg or Jesper Fast) in the expansion draft. Whoever doesn't go to Vegas can then be traded to recoup some smaller but still valuable cap dollars.

    3. Shattenkirk still makes a ton of sense, just as he has for the last three years. Brilliant right-handed PP specialist who will finally allow McDonagh to not have to run literally every aspect of the Rangers defense next season.

    4. I'd like to keep Smith (at the right price).

    5. One of Pionk, Bereglazov, or Pedrie almost have to make the team by default next season. Pionk and Bereglazov seem like early favorites.

    6. Lastly, I'm not at all adverse to a strategic trade to bring in another ELC defender. J.T. Miller for Brandon Montour or Josh Manson would do the trick.

    Agree with everything, but also add to the list: Fire AV, and grab Sutter and have him involved in decision regarding players to acquire and draft input. Second, I don't know how, but they absolutely MUST have a go to offensive player. Krieder is "Robin" at best. We NEED "Batman". I mean, the Pens have 2 Batmen (almost 3 if you want to throw in Kessel).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    You can't move on from Hank until the Russian kid is ready. He's the next starter of this franchise, not raanta.
    Any goalie between Hank, if he leaves, and Shestyorkin doesn't have to be "the next starter of the franchise". They're just a stop gap until Shestyorkin's KHL deal is over. (The next 2 years)

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    My question is can the kid actually make a glove save? Like a real smooth glove save?


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    Yes, from what I've seen his glove is excellent. It'll also help to have a goalie that can play the puck (although I haven't watched him enough to say that's an asset for him)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vodka Drunkenski View Post
    You can pick up a starter or try to retain Raanta if you're able to move Hank. We're not looking to win in the next year or two. At that point, the kid comes in and becomes the next franchise goalie.


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    I don't get saying we aren't looking to win in the next year or two. This team wasn't that bad. The main problem was on the def naive side. If we can upgrade the defense and make some tweaks up front, there is no reason why this team can't make a run again next year. Get rid of Girardi, re-sign Smith and bring in Shatt, no reason why his team can't go deep. This year, guys just didn't show up who have in the past. No reason to think that's going to be the norm for them.

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    And in goal for YOUR Vegas Golden Knights, number 30....

    Has to be explored. You can live with Raanta plus some rookie waiting for Igor, or explore Igor's availability.

    Lundqvist's salary is kiliing this team's cap situation. And while he was very good vs. the Habs he was Mr. Softee this series as he was much of the regular season.
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    We need to move on from trading Hank, it's not going to happen. He has a full NMC and is not going to waive it, especially to go to an expansion team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYR2711 View Post
    I don't get saying we aren't looking to win in the next year or two. This team wasn't that bad. The main problem was on the def naive side. If we can upgrade the defense and make some tweaks up front, there is no reason why this team can't make a run again next year. Get rid of Girardi, re-sign Smith and bring in Shatt, no reason why his team can't go deep. This year, guys just didn't show up who have in the past. No reason to think that's going to be the norm for them.
    I agree, we weren't that bad. But, best case senario...

    One of the teams on Girardi's trade list accepts our trade offer. This would make it financially easier to buyout Staal. We are able to resign Smith and sign Shattenkirk. Hank has a better year next year.

    So the question is, is...

    Nash - Step - Vesey
    Kreider - Zib - Zucc
    Miller - Hayes - Buch
    Grabner - Linberg - (Whoever they want to replace Fast with after the expansion draft)

    McD - Shattenkirk
    Skjei - Smith
    Some combo of Graves/Pedrie - Pionk/Bereglazov

    Lunqvist

    ...a better lineup than this year. Nash will be 33. Step will be older and most likely slower. Zucc will be 30. Hank 36. Will Grabner be able to keep up his production? Kreider will be 27, at this point chances are he probably is the streaky 25-30 goal player we've seen. Still nobody on that roster that can win a goddamn faceoff. I think the increasing age of the old 'core' is the reason to believe this is the new norm for them. They have so much playoff experience that "guys just didn't show up" flies as an excuse to not shake things up. Only way the above lineup does any better than this year is if Shattenkirk is power play jesus, which will be difficult when you can't win a draw.

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    I'm not sure why people are on about goal scoring. The Rangers scored 34 goals in 12 games (2.88 g/gp), 20 of which came in the final 6 games (3.33 g/gp) where they won only 2. Some guys struggle each round, some guys step it up. That's a fine recipe for goal scoring in the post season.

    The problems were goals against, especially very poorly timed goals against. They gave away 3 wins in 12 games in the final five minutes of play. That's the concerning fact, and it was the team's lack of defensive abilities along with really bad coaching that caused that. Fix the team defense, which starts at the back end but also includes centers at the face off dots and we're discussing whether the Rangers want to play Pittsburgh or Washington right now.

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