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    A handful of big, strong swings at the blue line and perhaps a targeted trade this summer and this kind of second round snuff out doesn't (or shouldn't) happen again.

    1. At least one of Girardi or Staal need to have played their last game as a Ranger. Preferably both, but bare minimum one isn't coming back.

    2. George McPhee needs to be gifted as high as a third-round pick to take either of Kevin Klein or Nick Holden (and not Oscar Lindberg or Jesper Fast) in the expansion draft. Whoever doesn't go to Vegas can then be traded to recoup some smaller but still valuable cap dollars.

    3. Shattenkirk still makes a ton of sense, just as he has for the last three years. Brilliant right-handed PP specialist who will finally allow McDonagh to not have to run literally every aspect of the Rangers defense next season.

    4. I'd like to keep Smith (at the right price).

    5. One of Pionk, Bereglazov, or Pedrie almost have to make the team by default next season. Pionk and Bereglazov seem like early favorites.

    6. Lastly, I'm not at all adverse to a strategic trade to bring in another ELC defender. J.T. Miller for Brandon Montour or Josh Manson would do the trick.
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    Can't argue with any of that...but it still leaves a forward core that's allergic to the playoffs/big games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post


    A handful of big, strong swings at the blue line and perhaps a targeted trade this summer and this kind of second round snuff out doesn't (or shouldn't) happen again.

    1. At least one of Girardi or Staal need to have played their last game as a Ranger. Preferably both, but bare minimum one isn't coming back.

    2. George McPhee needs to be gifted as high as a third-round pick to take either of Kevin Klein or Nick Holden (and not Oscar Lindberg or Jesper Fast) in the expansion draft. Whoever doesn't go to Vegas can then be traded to recoup some smaller but still valuable cap dollars.

    3. Shattenkirk still makes a ton of sense, just as he has for the last three years. Brilliant right-handed PP specialist who will finally allow McDonagh to not have to run literally every aspect of the Rangers defense next season.

    4. I'd like to keep Smith (at the right price).

    5. One of Pionk, Bereglazov, or Pedrie almost have to make the team by default next season. Pionk and Bereglazov seem like early favorites.

    6. Lastly, I'm not at all adverse to a strategic trade to bring in another ELC defender. J.T. Miller for Brandon Montour or Josh Manson would do the trick.

    1. Agreed. Don't see both not being here next year sadly, but certainly think one isn't here. Personally, would prefer to attempt trading Staal (paging Carolina) and get some pieces back (bag of pucks etc, bad contract a la Eddie Lack if we lose Raanta), and leave G as the 7th D man.

    2. I would rather expose Hayes than lose Lindberg or Fast personally. These two aren't the issue. They can even have Grabs.

    3. The powerplay needs to be addressed big time. Tired of this for years now and it keeps costing us games. It saps momentum out the building night in night out. Arniel has to go and this is a big upgrade and helps McD a ton. The guy wants to be here to which is good to hear.

    4. Agreed.

    5. This makes sense cap wise. Don't really know enough about them to comment but want some young blood and fresh legs. Enough of this 'core' shit. Play your best players no matter how old.

    6. A righty makes sense but similar to above I don't watch Anaheim enough to comment. I would like the L/R combo's back though and shift Smith back to LD 5/6 pair.

    For me though Stepan's contract is becoming another big issue. We haven't has a creative playmaking center (who is consistent) since Nylander, and we can't win face offs.

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    Both Manson and Montour are right handed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ba Ba Bluey View Post
    Can't argue with any of that...but it still leaves a forward core that's allergic to the playoffs/big games.
    This. It's the 'core' that worries me. There is too many problems to solve in one offseason i'm thinking. Hopefully Gorton can lay some foundations of change.

    I just think we need to go hard after someone like McKinnon and get some skill in our forward group and shed Stepan (bad contract it's starting to look like, no legs, can't win a face off). I think plenty of teams need a Stepan (defensively he is solid), we just need to get more skill up front.

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    Yeah I know, was agreeing with the logic.

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    I don't care if they go out in the second round. I care HOW they go out in the second round. This core has been too soft. They've been too willing to lay down and die. They've been to afraid to go slamming into corners and hit defenders. They've been unwilling to get down and dirty, which is how you need to play playoff hockey. They don't have a single guy on the team who can drag his balls across the floor and will his team to a win.

    You can see how heavily this team leans on Hank now that Hank isn't the same goalie from 3 years ago. When he's not playing superbly, the team loses. If the play is to continue riding Hank into the sunset, which it seems like it is, then for fuck sake, beef up the back end. Adding Holden and Clendenning to the trash heap is not a solution.

    Still have to get younger and add skill at all positions. A PP QB would be nice. A center who can win a face-off would be even nicer.

    Gorton has work to do. Another stop-gap season cannot be the solution.
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    @AdamZHerman: The Rangers' top forwards have had a bad few weeks. The Rangers' defense has had a bad 2 years. Don't get confused on what change is needed.


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    Nah I disagree with the notion about this forward group being magically good. They're the most overrated group of forwards in the entire league. Period. I said it.

    You know who else is overrated on this team?

    Henrik Lundqvist and Ryan McDonagh.

    I said it at the end of last season and I'm saying it again now. This team's problem is not that they need a few pieces, not that they need a new coach, and not that they need to fix their defense.

    Their problem is that they suck.

    Our "best" players are consistently, during every playoff series with very few exceptions, worse than the other team's best players. Every. Single. Year.

    Every year.

    This team gets it done with depth, except nobody gives a shit how deep you are in the playoffs when your team is inconsistent, outplayed, outworked, and has less talent than the other team. Nobody cares.

    Nobody cares how many goals per game you score during the season if you lose by one goal in the playoffs four times.

    This team is poor.

    I would reply to that tweet and say '*The Rangers have had a bad 2 years. Don't get confused on what change is needed'.

    This team was embarassed last season and outworked, literally outworked, this season.

    They can all go. I won't miss a single one of them.

    EDIT: I would like to add that I have nothing but the utmost respect for Hank, McD, many of the players on this team. But they've had many chances and they've failed on all of them. It's time to move on before the breakup becomes even more sour.
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    Kreider not using his size is probably one of my biggest frustrations in recent years. Rarely uses his biggest asset.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pws85nyr View Post
    Kreider not using his size is probably one of my biggest frustrations in recent years. Rarely uses his biggest asset.


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    Totally agree, he should be one of the most irritating players for the other team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valriera View Post
    Nah I disagree with the notion about this forward group being magically good. They're the most overrated group of forwards in the entire league. Period. I said it.

    You know who else is overrated on this team?

    Henrik Lundqvist and Ryan McDonagh.

    I said it at the end of last season and I'm saying it again now. This team's problem is not that they need a few pieces, not that they need a new coach, and not that they need to fix their defense.

    Their problem is that they suck.

    Our "best" players are consistently, during every playoff series with very few exceptions, worse than the other team's best players. Every. Single. Year.

    Every year.

    This team gets it done with depth, except nobody gives a shit how deep you are in the playoffs when your team is inconsistent, outplayed, outworked, and has less talent than the other team. Nobody cares.

    Nobody cares how many goals per game you score during the season if you lose by one goal in the playoffs four times.

    This team is poor.

    I would reply to that tweet and say '*The Rangers have had a bad 2 years. Don't get confused on what change is needed'.

    This team was embarassed last season and outworked, literally outworked, this season.

    They can all go. I won't miss a single one of them.
    I agree with every thing you've said.
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    You're right on the money, Phil.

    I would honestly look at moving Stepan and/or McDonagh as well. It's cliched, but the leadership of this team is rotten, IMO.
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    Also feel obligated to post this:

    http://nypost.com/2017/05/09/rangers...nding-crusher/

    And as this 22nd straight season without a Stanley Cup championship ends, this least defensible playoff series defeat of the Henrik Lundqvist Era all but certainly will mark the end of the core group featuring the King, Dan Girardi, Marc Staal, Ryan McDonagh, Derek Stepan that has been intact since midway through 2010-11 and was augmented by Chris Kreider, Rick Nash and Mats Zuccarello by 2012-13.

    Changes will be made.

    Everything will be on the table.
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    That's good. Everything should be on the table.

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    Except for Skjei, I would listen to any offer made by other teams.

    Landing someone like McKinnon would be huge. Dont care what it would cost either. We need some star power upfront. Just shake the entire organization for 5 months and look what comes back and take it from there.

    And get rid of Arniel for christ sake. Cant believe a guy that doesn't do ANYTHING still keeps his job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valriera View Post
    Nah I disagree with the notion about this forward group being magically good. They're the most overrated group of forwards in the entire league. Period. I said it.

    You know who else is overrated on this team?

    Henrik Lundqvist and Ryan McDonagh.

    I said it at the end of last season and I'm saying it again now. This team's problem is not that they need a few pieces, not that they need a new coach, and not that they need to fix their defense.

    Their problem is that they suck.

    Our "best" players are consistently, during every playoff series with very few exceptions, worse than the other team's best players. Every. Single. Year.

    Every year.

    This team gets it done with depth, except nobody gives a shit how deep you are in the playoffs when your team is inconsistent, outplayed, outworked, and has less talent than the other team. Nobody cares.

    Nobody cares how many goals per game you score during the season if you lose by one goal in the playoffs four times.

    This team is poor.

    I would reply to that tweet and say '*The Rangers have had a bad 2 years. Don't get confused on what change is needed'.

    This team was embarassed last season and outworked, literally outworked, this season.

    They can all go. I won't miss a single one of them.

    EDIT: I would like to add that I have nothing but the utmost respect for Hank, McD, many of the players on this team. But they've had many chances and they've failed on all of them. It's time to move on before the breakup becomes even more sour.
    This 100%.

    Problem is, New York teams regardless of sport never rebuild, they'd rather find one or two over priced pieces that are a few years past their peak to try to plug holes. Gorton seems to be bucking the trend a little getting Zib and Smith (and on the not-so-good side, Holden and Clendenning) so there's hope that he may make some wise moves, however a full scale fire sale probably won't happen. Personally I'd hold on to Zib, Zucc, Smith, Skjei, Fast and Raanta and ditch the rest, including AV and staff......

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    1/2 this core needs to go, including Lundqvist, sorry. TOO many guys are way too comfortable here.
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    Lundqvist isn't going anywhere unless he wants to. That's just a fact. Not saying he shouldn't because I wouldn't really mind it, but he has a FULL NO MOVE CLAUSE. FULL. NO. MOVE. CLAUSE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey37 View Post
    1/2 this core needs to go, including Lundqvist, sorry. TOO many guys are way too comfortable here.
    Agreed, time to shake everything up. Get younger and faster. Oh let's try to get a few guys that can actually win faceoffs


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