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    The issue I could see the team running into is that to get Lindberg on the roster at any point after opening night he will be waiver eligible.

    There are teams that would probably pick him up, and it would be better to try and trade him if that were the case.

    He's an older prospect who spent his early years in the SHL and there are organizations who would look at his AHL growth as promising. His second half and playoffs were phenomenal and it was nice to see him take another step.

    His situation is a catch 22 because you want him to play in the AHL if he isn't going to in the NHL.

    But what happens when he plays well and you want to add him to the squad? He then becomes a known commodity and he's a target.

    I'd give him a chance to stick and see what happens. Ultimately he could be traded for a draft pick if he doesn't fit into the plans.

    In short I'd rather see what they have and make a decision then go in another direction and potentially miss out on a good cost controlled player who can fill in on center and wing if needed.

    I think at best he could out produce Stoll and his age makes it a more worthwhile risk/investment etc.

    There's a chance he doesn't end up being in direction competition, but that's just my take from an asset management/ potential output perspective.
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    The thing about situations like this is that you often miss the boat on a player like Stoll if you decide to give your own guys every chance possible to make the team. Stoll is likely to sign somewhere, or at the very least agree to a PTO/training camp invite with a team well before you are likely to be comfortable making the call on a guy like Lindberg.

    You either sign Stoll now and let the chips fall as they may, or you don't and hope that Lindberg has what it takes, because what would be left to bring in by that point would at best be scrap heap hopes.

    How many players sign in November or December after going the entire summer without a hope, and actually do anything of note?
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    IMO Lindberg is not a make or break factor into our success next season and this is a short-term move. Signing Stoll could potentially harm his development, but there will be injuries next season and with Lindberg and Glass as the extra forwards, it is Lindberg's job to lose to be that fill-in and fight his way onto the roster to hold down a spot similar to what Fast did last year.

    I don't like the idea of Moore on the third line because he's a puck hog and does not create plays offensively. He could be a detriment if he has wingers like Etem, Hayes and/or Fast where he then stagnates the offensive production that this team needs from its bottom-6. The signing gives us flexibility but I really hope AV does not move Moore up in the lineup.

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    I am totally, totally cool with this. I think many of us came to the conclusion that the Vegas thing got a tad overblown. Just another rich athlete in the party city of the world who got caught doing what a shitload of other people do. If that's behind him, and I believe it is, it's a real sneaky signing. Losing Hags hurts the PK, and we have a need for size, toughness and championship experience. These types of players are golden in the playoffs. His best days may be behind him, but I think he can still bring plenty to the table to be valuable. I'm interested to see where this goes. This guy was an absolute menace to deal with when we ran in to the Kings in 2014.

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    With the limited amount of cap space we had this summer, I'm very pleased with how things turned out. This one is a bit of a curveball but I actually love the signing. Last season depth at center was an issue for us and this season it's been addressed. Is Stoll a game breaker? No. But he can kill penalties, play physical, and maybe most importantly, win faceoffs.

    Also, I don't care at all about the Vegas thing. If you don't think have the guys in the NHL do that shit, you're kidding yourself. He got caught. I don't believe it'll be a problem again.
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    This is a great move and definitely helps alleviate my main concern about this team, which was I'm not comfortable going into the season with a whole bunch of what-ifs on our roster. Stoll is not a what-if, he relieves pressure on Hayes who can focus on continuing to develop his game instead of being leaned on to be a vital third line center, he helps our PK, and he gives us some size. I'd love to see a similar deal for a guy who can score a few, but these deals are not ones which you can just go get, they have a sense of luck and timing about them. Happy to have this guy here and hopefully he has more of a shot than Malone had, who I think got out competed for that third line spot in a year where our depth was great. This year, I don't think our depth is as great and Stoll will have a good shot at making an impact.

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    Stoll will likely be competing with Swedish 23-year-old Oscar Lindberg for the third-line center position, assuming coach Alain Vigneault prefers to keep Kevin Hayes and J.T. Miller at wing. The first- and second-line pivots are Derick Brassard and Derek Stepan, while the fourth-line role is handled by Dominic Moore.
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    Nash
    Stepan
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    Moore
    Hayes
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    Miller
    Fast
    Etem
    Stoll
    Stalberg
    Glass
    Lindberg

    Top are your likely locks. Bottom are the 7 guys fighting for 5 starting spots and likely 1 spare forward slot. Miller and Fast are probably just on the line and have to screw up pretty badly in camp to lose their spots.

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    @HartnettHockey: #NYR forward Jarret Stoll said the Rangers contacted him "two or three weeks back." Said Rangers' interest kept "coming and coming."
    @HartnettHockey: #NYR forward Jarret Stoll: "I will play anywhere in this lineup. I just want this team to win."


    @helenenothelen: Stoll on signing with New York Rangers: "personally and professionally I'm excited about moving on." Said he has completed legal obligations
    @helenenothelen: Stoll said he has a lot of respect for Dean Lombardi and Kings...
    @helenenothelen: Stoll: on his recent woes: "no reason to discuss the past. I'm part of the New York Rangers'"
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    Another old, reclamation project. Oih.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueJay View Post
    Another old, reclamation project. Oih.
    You say that like they never pan out, or come back to burn the Rangers for trying. They really don't.

    Kaberle was never given a deal, Malone was buried and eventually placed on unconditional waivers, Jágr took a team projected to be 30th overall back to the playoffs for the first time in seven years, Dominic Moore showed he could still be a valuable bottom-6 player, Pouliot ended up with a $20M contract because of what he did with the Rangers, and Anton Strålman is $22.5M~ richer than he probably ever would have been because of the Rangers.

    There are a lot more positives than negatives, and the negatives never really had massive repercussions.
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    Never said that, just tired of us catering to it. Eventually we have to stop trying to make star players, out of unknowns. How about a pick in the 1st round for a change?
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    Who said anything about a star player? He was brought in for a 4th line role. Could possibly fit a size and face off need, that's about it.
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    He makes next to nothing and is easily removed if he's as bad as he was last year.

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    Low risk signing, just an extra forward to compete with Lindberg for the 4th C spot alternatively could be used in some games instead of Glass as a faceoff specialist. Decent depth signing for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    He makes next to nothing and is easily removed if he's as bad as he was last year.
    Exactly. Not sure how anyone can have an issue with this signing.
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    MZA was sort of a reclamation project. Let's not forget that.

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    Holy shit is that unexpected.

    Goodbye Dominic Moore, then?
    I'd be surprised if NYR and Dom didn't have some kind of understanding but you might be right. Hard to tell who's insurance for whom at this point.
    I thought he was over achieving for his age. Well this makes things interesting. Stoll brings decent size, and that 4th line needs to battle, compete physically better, and pressure. This could make a difference there. 51% face-offs is a kinda requirement and he fills it.


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    Malone 2.0
    Saw Malone score a sweet goal in preseason and play well, good hands. Seems he hardly got serious consideration, though.
    Will Stoll get a look?


    Quote Originally Posted by torontonyr View Post
    MZA was sort of a reclamation project. Let's not forget that.
    Not in my mind he was about 22 when we grabbed him in 2010-11 as a free agent from the Swedish League where he'd won the prestigious Golden Helmet award.

    If he'd been 4 inches taller and the same body type he'd have been a no brainer and people would have been all over him. His size just meant he needed more seasoning and adaptation to the NHL.
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    7 center options in the lineup if you still count Miller.

    Nash - Brassard - Zuccarello
    Kreider - Stepan - Fast
    Miller - Hayes - Etem
    Lindberg - Moore - Stoll

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