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    Derek Stepan Files for Arbitration; $5.2M Offer From NYR, $7.25M Ask from Stepan

    In a flash, Friday’s agreement between the needy Sabres and the 24-year-old center they obtained from Colorado last weekend blows to smithereens any hope the Blueshirts had of signing the 25-year-old Group II free agent center Stepan to a long-term deal in the range of $6.2 million to $6.5 million per.

    It likely means Stepan, whose numbers are superior to O’Reilly’s in every meaningful category other than faceoff efficiency, not only will file for salary arbitration by Sunday’s 5 p.m. deadline, but could be in line for a two-year award taking him to unrestricted free agency worth well over $7 million per.
    A quick review: Stepan: 89 goals and 163 assists equals 252 points in 362 games played, .70 points per game, plus-85, 50.7 Corsi rating, 18:18 minutes per game, 15 goals and 26 assists equals 41 points in 80 playoff games for a team having won eight series; O’Reilly: 90-156=246 in 427 GP, .58 PPG, minus-13, 49.8 Corsi, 18:26 per, 3-4=7 in 13 playoff games for a team that did not win a playoff series.
    A number than starts with a “7” for Stepan is all but untenable for the Rangers as they are constructed. An award that’s closer to starting with an “8” than a “7” would place the ’15-16 Blueshirts’ roster in a cap vise. Beyond that, an arbitration award almost certainly starts the clock ticking on Stepan’s Broadway expiration date two years hence.
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    As discussed if Stepan files for arbitration then the Rangers can opt for a 1 year deal, kicking the can down the road.

    Also, if Stepan's camp really believes a lottery team over paying for O'Reilly after he inflated his value with an offer sheet on his last deal is fair market value, then we should give it to him. In the form of a trade to the Leafs for Bozak plus. He can get over payed by a bottom feeder if that's his goal. Maybe before he's too old to contribute they will be good again.

    He isn't going to get O'Reilly money on a contender. Even Colorado, still an unknown as far as being a playoff team, saw that as too much and moved their "Stepan" when he got greedy. We should do the same if need be.

    Signing Stepan anywhere close to $7.5m would be a step towards becoming an average franchise again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanJesus View Post
    As discussed if Stepan files for arbitration then the Rangers can opt for a 1 year deal, kicking the can down the road.

    Also, if Stepan's camp really believes a lottery team over paying for O'Reilly after he inflated his value with an offer sheet on his last deal is fair market value, then we should give it to him. In the form of a trade to the Leafs for Bozak plus. He can get over payed by a bottom feeder if that's his goal. Maybe before he's too old to contribute they will be good again.

    He isn't going to get O'Reilly money on a contender. Even Colorado, still an unknown as far as being a playoff team, saw that as too much and moved their "Stepan" when he got greedy. We should do the same if need be.
    Pretty much agree with this.

    And as I've said, I want players here who want to be here. If he wants max money, go elsewhere. No problem. It actually solves a problem for us down the road of having to pay Hayes and Brassard, as well as Stepan and one of them being a $5+ third liner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanJesus View Post
    As discussed if Stepan files for arbitration then the Rangers can opt for a 1 year deal, kicking the can down the road.

    Also, if Stepan's camp really believes a lottery team over paying for O'Reilly after he inflated his value with an offer sheet on his last deal is fair market value, then we should give it to him. In the form of a trade to the Leafs for Bozak plus. He can get over payed by a bottom feeder if that's his goal. Maybe before he's too old to contribute they will be good again.

    He isn't going to get O'Reilly money on a contender. Even Colorado, still an unknown as far as being a playoff team, saw that as too much and moved their "Stepan" when he got greedy. We should do the same if need be.

    Signing Stepan anywhere close to $7.5m would be a step towards becoming an average franchise again.
    Completely agree here. It's David Krejci all over again. And if you don't think that matters, ask Boston, who just had to gut much of their team because of how top heavy they are.
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    Another option is to move Stepan for a younger top third line guy, a 20-20ish center who is strong on faceoffs and a defensive specialist. I don't have a particular guy in mind, would have to research it.

    Then retool in place on a 1-2 year plan. Guys who don't fit that plan get moved for younger assets. Guys like Klein, Yandle and Moore.

    Goal is Brassard - Hayes - 20-20 - Lindberg down the middle, giving the two younger centers time to grow.

    Then we add in some prospects and UFA depth while being more cost controlled. And G and Staal's NMC revert to NTC soon after giving us even more flexibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanJesus View Post
    Another option is to move Stepan for a younger top third line guy, a 20-20ish center who is strong on faceoffs and a defensive specialist. I don't have a particular guy in mind, would have to research it.

    Then retool in place on a 1-2 year plan. Guys who don't fit that plan get moved for younger assets. Guys like Klein, Yandle and Moore.

    Goal is Brassard - Hayes - 20-20 - Lindberg down the middle, giving the two younger centers time to grow.

    Then we add in some prospects and UFA depth while being more cost controlled. And G and Staal's NMC revert to NTC soon after giving us even more flexibility.
    Someone like Brandon Sutter. Not that the Pens would make a great trading partner (they wouldn't, for a lot of reasons), but I agree that might be something they consider.

    If Stepan is signed long-term, he or Brassard would likely be moved before their contracts were up anyway based on there being so much money locked up through them with Hayes knocking on the door like Jordan Staal with the Penguins.
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    I really like Stepan as a player but I don't see him not asking for max money and term. IIRC he wanted more money and years the first time he held out didn't he? I'd be stunned if he opted for a contract that would help the teams current situation. It's not to say he's greedy, but considering what O'Reilly just got, it definitely makes things difficult.

    Totally in agreement with Pete about wanting players who want to be here. I really don't want to read how " this is the only place they want to play" but are pushing for a contract that it totally going to screw the team over.."

    Btw.. How is it that no one has mentioned the fact that Phil screwed up the spelling of Stepan's name in the title?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lt. Dan View Post
    I really like Stepan as a player but I don't see him not asking for max money and term. IIRC he wanted more money and years the first time he held out didn't he? I'd be stunned if he opted for a contract that would help the teams current situation. It's not to say he's greedy, but considering what O'Reilly just got, it definitely makes things difficult. Totally in agreement with Pete about wanting players who want to be here. I really don't want to read how " this is the only place they want to play" but are pushing for a contract that it totally going to screw the team over.." Btw.. How is it that no one has mentioned the fact that Phil screwed up the spelling of Stepan's name in the title?
    He wanted a mirror contract to the one McD signed.

    I just realized the title.
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    If he wants to be too greedy ,Id have no problem Callahaning him,but hopefully we'd get a better return

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rome 2.0 View Post
    He wanted a mirror contract to the one McD signed.

    I just realized the title.
    You think that was an unreasonable demand? Would have been a good deal IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lt. Dan View Post
    You think that was an unreasonable demand? Would have been a good deal IMO.
    At the time, they couldn't afford it.

    The Rangers had around $3M in cap space left to get Stepan under contract at the time, if my memory serves.

    McDonagh also had more leverage in getting the deal he got in the first place. He was a year closer to UFA than Stepan (three years at the time, versus Stepan's four) and had arbitration rights (which Stepan didn't).

    The Rangers were also very concerned with his poor playoffs at the time, so it made sense why they were reluctant to go long-term.
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    Derek Stepan Files for Salary Arbitration

    @mirtle: Biggest names filing for NHL salary arbitration: Nyquist, Stepan, Holtby and Johansson.

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    As Dave has pointed out, what this means is that he's now offer sheet protected and if this does get to arbitration (and it stands a good chance it will), the Rangers can opt for either a one or two-year award based on what the independent arbitrator awards him.
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    @stevezipay: #NYR RFA Derek Stepan files for salary arbitration. Not unexpected. Nowadays almost all cases are settled before hearing
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    Zip doesn't seem worried.

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    Yeah, I'm not too worried either. I'm actually glad he opted for it. Protects him from an offer sheet. I still think the Rangers end up signing him to a one or two-year deal and then probably deal him before he hits UFA.
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    I'd think they try and extend him before they deal him.

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    Oh for sure. I'm just saying I'm not sure they'll be able to. He'll be looking at $7M+ per season on a long-term deal by that point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rome 2.0 View Post
    Oh for sure. I'm just saying I'm not sure they'll be able to. He'll be looking at $7M+ per season on a long-term deal by that point.
    I don't think the Rangers have an issue paying him. They just don't have the cap room this year. In a year or 2 they will.

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    Im glad he filed, it works better for the team and player, now they can sit and try to hammer out a deal without another team swooping in. Id like to see them reach a long term deal now, rather than a 2 year deal and wind up paying more later on. Lets just hope it gets done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Pretty much agree with this.

    And as I've said, I want players here who want to be here. If he wants max money, go elsewhere. No problem. It actually solves a problem for us down the road of having to pay Hayes and Brassard, as well as Stepan and one of them being a $5+ third liner.
    Totally agree with this. Anything more than 6.5 a year for Stepan would be a mistake IMO, he's just not a 7 mil plus player. I don't really care what ROR got. If Stepan rather play somewhere else and make 7-7.5 mil than here making 6.5 mil I would frankly RATHER he left. Like Pete says, let's have players who REALLY wants to play here. Let's hope Stepan feels the same way.

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