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    Poker. Who plays it? What games do you play? Cash? Tournaments? Limits? Online? Live? Casinos? Home games? Let's hear about some well played hands, and bad beats.

    I've been playing long before it was as popular as it is now. I don't travel as much as I used to, but I try to get out on the tourny circuit when I can. I can play all of the games, but I prefer NLH, and Omaha or Omaha H/L. I've been around clubs and casinos since as long as I can remember. I used to play online every day, all day, on multi tables before it was banned in the US. I like tourny's and cash games the same, but I prefer a deep stack tourny if I had to choose. I was ranked in the top 10% of all online players in 2009. I have a Borgata Main Event final table, as well as a lot of other cashes in the WPT sponsored tournaments at the Borgata Opens, and some events in Vegas, Foxwoods, and Mohegan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey37 View Post
    Poker. Who plays it? What games do you play? Cash? Tournaments? Limits? Online? Live? Casinos? Home games? Let's hear about some well played hands, and bad beats.

    I've been playing long before it was as popular as it is now. I don't travel as much as I used to, but I try to get out on the tourny circuit when I can. I can play all of the games, but I prefer NLH, and Omaha or Omaha H/L. I've been around clubs and casinos since as long as I can remember. I used to play online every day, all day, on multi tables before it was banned in the US. I like tourny's and cash games the same, but I prefer a deep stack tourny if I had to choose. I was ranked in the top 10% of all online players in 2009. I have a Borgata Main Event final table, as well as a lot of other cashes in the WPT sponsored tournaments at the Borgata Opens, and some events in Vegas, Foxwoods, and Mohegan.
    I play a little bit, mostly hold em and stud. I only play casual though and never play above my level. I can usually make a few dollars in AC playing 1/2 NL or playing in the 100 (or less) dollar buy in SNGs multi table tourneys. I never really go above that level since I only play for fun.

    As a statistics major I can calculate pot odds pretty quickly and can play well mathematically, however; when I get bad beat all my logic goes out the window -_-
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    I enjoy 7 card poker in all variations. Used to play a lot with the boys years ago. I miss it. I never got into texas holdem. Got in a couple of friendly toureys and got eliminated fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twentyseven View Post
    I play a little bit, mostly hold em and stud. I only play casual though and never play above my level. I can usually make a few dollars in AC playing 1/2 NL or playing in the 100 (or less) dollar buy in SNGs multi table tourneys. I never really go above that level since I only play for fun.

    As a statistics major I can calculate pot odds pretty quickly and can play well mathematically, however; when I get bad beat all my logic goes out the window -_-
    I'm a SNG master. I use the necessary math in my game, most is on reads. The online studs play strictly math, which is fine, but sometimes head scratching depending on the hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey37 View Post
    I'm a SNG master. I use the necessary math in my game, most is on reads. The online studs play strictly math, which is fine, but sometimes head scratching depending on the hands.
    Yeah, being able to read people is obviously a far more profitable skill than calculating whether or not it is profitable to call / how much you should raise. I wish I could do that well, but I honestly can't unless the person has obvious tells. You can also teach anyone to calculate pot odds, you can't teach everyone to read people.

    In all honesty, I wish I could master the game but 1) I don't have the time or $$$ to master it and 2) my personality would never allow me to get really good at the game because I can tilt really easy from bad beats.
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    I like playing NL Holdem cash games. I don't believe you can play online in the US anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chizz View Post
    I like playing NL Holdem cash games. I don't believe you can play online in the US anymore.
    I think Bodog allows you to but I am not 100% sure
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    Quote Originally Posted by twentyseven View Post
    Yeah, being able to read people is obviously a far more profitable skill than calculating whether or not it is profitable to call / how much you should raise. I wish I could do that well, but I honestly can't unless the person has obvious tells. You can also teach anyone to calculate pot odds, you can't teach everyone to read people.

    In all honesty, I wish I could master the game but 1) I don't have the time or $$$ to master it and 2) my personality would never allow me to get really good at the game because I can tilt really easy from bad beats.
    My brother just started up a game at his house. All of the players are idiots. They're mainly kids he knows from poker, and not his real friends. They play 1/2, they don't know about my history, and when they try to talk about the correct way to play or what should or shouldn't have been done, I try my hardest not to lose my mind. If I win 200, I feel like I lost 200, because I should win at least 4 every week. I only go to fill a seat and help my brother out with the chips, etc ... There are only 2 people I can talk serious poker with, that's why I started this thread. I have to sit there quietly because it's hard for me not to tell them how fuckin dumb they are. There are 2 guys there that know me for a while, and they just look at me and laugh, they'd never say anything to the other players about me. Some of the dopes come after me because I win all the time and they want a shot at the belt. They're so stupid that they think they're beating me when I lose 4 pots to them that cost me $37, I win one off of them for 1/2 their stack or more. I'm also very good and minimizing and maximizing. I pride myself on that in both cash, and tournament games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chizz View Post
    I like playing NL Holdem cash games. I don't believe you can play online in the US anymore.
    There are a lot of sites you can play on. I don't trust any of them, because there's a lot of shady shit going on with the banks. When they legalize it at some point, I'll be on Stars and UB .... A LOT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey37 View Post
    My brother just started up a game at his house. All of the players are idiots. They're mainly kids he knows from poker, and not his real friends. They play 1/2, they don't know about my history, and when they try to talk about the correct way to play or what should or shouldn't have been done, I try my hardest not to lose my mind. If I win 200, I feel like I lost 200, because I should win at least 4 every week. I only go to fill a seat and help my brother out with the chips, etc ... There are only 2 people I can talk serious poker with, that's why I started this thread. I have to sit there quietly because it's hard for me not to tell them how fuckin dumb they are. There are 2 guys there that know me for a while, and they just look at me and laugh, they'd never say anything to the other players about me. Some of the dopes come after me because I win all the time and they want a shot at the belt. They're so stupid that they think they're beating me when I lose 4 pots to them that cost me $37, I win one off of them for 1/2 their stack or more. I'm also very good and minimizing and maximizing. I pride myself on that in both cash, and tournament games.
    I love talking poker and sharing stories, although I am not sure how interesting my stories would be to you since I definitely do not have your experience nor skill level. I'll usually go to AC about once or twice a year and play and play some SNGs and 1/2 NL. Im pretty good at managing my stack in SNGs but those blinds in the MT tourneys accelerate too quickly, making the end game more luck than anything else. For the 1/2 I mainly wait and try to figure out who I should be in pots with and who I should steer clear of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twentyseven View Post
    I love talking poker and sharing stories, although I am not sure how interesting my stories would be to you since I definitely do not have your experience nor skill level. I'll usually go to AC about once or twice a year and play and play some SNGs and 1/2 NL. Im pretty good at managing my stack in SNGs but those blinds in the MT tourneys accelerate too quickly, making the end game more luck than anything else. For the 1/2 I mainly wait and try to figure out who I should be in pots with and who I should steer clear of.
    Depending on the structure, I play the first several levels of a tourny like it's a cash game. I play a lot of hands early with a real wide range. I tighten up as I go depending on my stack, blinds, etc .. In SNG's, you can play the first 2 levels like a cash game. If you've accumulated chips, you can't be afraid to make calls when guys jam if you have a marginal hand. You have to understand their situation more than you have to understand yours. Put yourself in their shoes, what would you be doing with XX amount of blinds, in XX position, with XX amount of time left in a level ?? Of course you're not always going to be right, and you're not always going to win, but if I get a big stack early in a SNG, I'll probably chop it up as long as I don't lose the coin flips or 60/40's, 40/60's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey37 View Post
    Depending on the structure, I play the first several levels of a tourny like it's a cash game. I play a lot of hands early with a real wide range. I tighten up as I go depending on my stack, blinds, etc .. In SNG's, you can play the first 2 levels like a cash game. If you've accumulated chips, you can't be afraid to make calls when guys jam if you have a marginal hand. You have to understand their situation more than you have to understand yours. Put yourself in their shoes, what would you be doing with XX amount of blinds, in XX position, with XX amount of time left in a level ?? Of course you're not always going to be right, and you're not always going to win, but if I get a big stack early in a SNG, I'll probably chop it up as long as I don't lose the coin flips or 60/40's, 40/60's.
    Yeah, I normally try to play more "loose" early on and play more hands. It is more forgiving earlier on when you have 20k to start with and blinds are only 50/100. That is something else I have to improve upon! I have to remember to put myself in my opponents shoes instead of just looking at my own position in the game.

    Last time I was in AC, I was playing in a 60 person MT tournament where the buy in was somewhere between 70-100, I forget. Anyways, I ended up getting to the final 3 and chopping the prize money and then we played one hand to figure out who gets 1st because 1st place gets an automatic entry in a 20k guaranteed tournament. Lo and behold I win that hand but I can't go to the tournament because it was on a school day
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    Quote Originally Posted by twentyseven View Post
    Yeah, I normally try to play more "loose" early on and play more hands. It is more forgiving earlier on when you have 20k to start with and blinds are only 50/100. That is something else I have to improve upon! I have to remember to put myself in my opponents shoes instead of just looking at my own position in the game.

    Last time I was in AC, I was playing in a 60 person MT tournament where the buy in was somewhere between 70-100, I forget. Anyways, I ended up getting to the final 3 and chopping the prize money and then we played one hand to figure out who gets 1st because 1st place gets an automatic entry in a 20k guaranteed tournament. Lo and behold I win that hand but I can't go to the tournament because it was on a school day
    I'm very loose early in an event. 1, you can get chips from idiots who tilt, even though the blinds are so small. Most people don't realize they still have 95 blinds in front of them. 2, the tables don't break that often early on. If you have a good beat on the players on your table, you can mow them over.
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    This might sound dumb but how do you calculate how much chips you have quickly? I always try to keep track of how many BB I have but normally I have to recount or restack my chips so that I can figure out what my chip count is at. The reason why I am asking this because I don't know if it is tacky to recount your stack every 10 hands or whatever it might be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twentyseven View Post
    This might sound dumb but how do you calculate how much chips you have quickly? I always try to keep track of how many BB I have but normally I have to recount or restack my chips so that I can figure out what my chip count is at. The reason why I am asking this because I don't know if it is tacky to recount your stack every 10 hands or whatever it might be.
    It's not tacky, it's smart. I count my stack often, and a lot. If you have a lot of chips, keep them stacked so you can count them without breaking them down. You need to know what you're starting every hand with, as well as paying attention to what other players involved in the hand have in front of them. Stack size can give you multiple reads on a hand. A guy starting with 20 bb's is a lot less likely to bluff a pot than someone with 50. Depending on the player, their hand range may shrink or expand depending on their chips. Like I said before, pay attention to everyone and everything at the table. You also need to keep in mind on whether or not the player is a fuckin idiot. If a good player has x amount of chips, he'll probably play a hand differently than a novice. Each hand has it's own identity. Sometimes check, sometimes raise, sometimes bet, sometimes check raise, check fold, etc ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey37 View Post
    It's not tacky, it's smart. I count my stack often, and a lot. If you have a lot of chips, keep them stacked so you can count them without breaking them down. You need to know what you're starting every hand with, as well as paying attention to what other players involved in the hand have in front of them. Stack size can give you multiple reads on a hand. A guy starting with 20 bb's is a lot less likely to bluff a pot than someone with 50. Depending on the player, their hand range may shrink or expand depending on their chips. Like I said before, pay attention to everyone and everything at the table. You also need to keep in mind on whether or not the player is a fuckin idiot. If a good player has x amount of chips, he'll probably play a hand differently than a novice. Each hand has it's own identity. Sometimes check, sometimes raise, sometimes bet, sometimes check raise, check fold, etc ...
    Thanks dude for all the advice, I really appreciate it
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    Ask me anything situational. I love discussing it and thinking the hand through. Just 1 thing, though ... if you don't know the exact details of the hand, don't ask me shit. I want to know everything, your hand, approximate chip count, what type of player you're up against, the exact betting from pre flop to the end, the exact flop, turn and river, etc ... If you leave out 1 thing, it can change the hand 180.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey37 View Post
    Ask me anything situational. I love discussing it and thinking the hand through. Just 1 thing, though ... if you don't know the exact details of the hand, don't ask me shit. I want to know everything, your hand, approximate chip count, what type of player you're up against, the exact betting from pre flop to the end, the exact flop, turn and river, etc ... If you leave out 1 thing, it can change the hand 180.
    I do remember one hand that stands out, mostly because this was the night I proposed to my fiance. The beat I felt was pretty bad and after this hand I ended up tilting away my winnings which was about 300 bucks, which was pretty good considering it was 1/2 NL and I was playing for about 4 hours.

    I was dealt Jack of spades & Jack of hearts and was on the button with 400 dollars in chips. 2 players after the blinds called for 2, the guy who ends up beating me (lets call him Player A) calls for 2 (he has 250 dollars in chips), I raise to 12, blinds fold, all 3 other players call.

    Flop comes down 3 diamonds, 7 spades, Jack of diamonds. All 3 check to me, I bet to 25 and only Player A calls.

    Flop comes down 2 of something other than diamonds (don't remember the exact suit but it was completely harmless). Player A checks and me wanting to take down the pot now bet whatever Player A's stack was (200 something). After about 20 seconds of thinking, Player A says he has to because he is committed and calls and then hits his diamond on the river (he did have the ace high flush, he had A,5 diamonds).

    I was really furious over this hand not because I lost but because he said he made a great play because he put me on a pair of jacks and that he had outs with his diamonds and ace.

    I also second guess my bet of his chip stack because I think I should have value bet it but I kind of just wanted to take it down after the turn. I knew I had the nuts on the turn but was thinking he was on the diamond draw and didnt really want him to see the last card. But by pushing him all in I kind of put myself in an all or nothing spot. Thoughts?
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    Oh yeah, I forgot to mention he was a pretty aggressive player. One of those extreme maniac old Chinese gamblers, lol.
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