Blue Heaven Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 https://www.nhl.com/hurricanes/news/hurricanes-jaccob-slavin-agree-on-seven-year-extension/c-290372786 Ron Francis, Executive Vice President and General Manager of the National Hockey League's Carolina Hurricanes, today announced that the team has agreed to terms with defenseman Jaccob Slavin on a seven-year contract extension. The contract will begin during the 2018-19 season and carries an average annual value (AAV) of $5.3 million. Who???? and why is he worth $5.3 AAV this early in his career? I seriously never heard of the dude. What is Brady Skjei going to command, Shattenkirk $$$$$? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 If you haven't heard of him it's because you aren't paying attention. He plays 23:00 a night and just had 30+ points. Not to mention the fact that he's a positive possession player with primarily DZS. This is basically what Skjei's contract would be, if he signed tomorrow. Same age, similar stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Exactly what Future said. Perfect baseline for Skjei's next deal. It's a good contract too in that it'll take him directly to 30. I'd sign Skjei to the exact same deal. You're buying up UFA years but not at an extreme cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Fwiw, there's probably no way I'm taking this contract all the way to 30 if I'm Slavin/Skjei. Maybe there's no choice but, if you bet on yourself and develop, this contract could leave a lot of money on the table. I'd rather be a UFA when I'm 28 than 30. Because, either way, you'll probably get a contract until you're 34-35 anyways. Why take 7 x $5 if you can take 5 x $5.5 and then 7 x $6.5? I'd like my odds of getting another big contract if I'm a UFA before 30 than I would if I'm a UFA after I've already hit 30. It's the same factor at play in comparing Stepan to Bozak. No way Bozak brings in a top-10 pick and a good prospect. Heck, we're talking about flipping HOLDEN for him. The only significant difference between the two is age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 It makes no sense for the player, but if they take it that's great. I'd do the extra year with Skjei and just go 8 x $5.5M. It takes him to 31. I don't think you get Brady below $5M unless you don't buy UFA years which would be a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistercosmic Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Carolina Hurricanes' blue line looks promising with this group of talented young defensemen. It's time for this team for a remarkable upswing. Sent from my NEM-L51 using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 It makes no sense for the player, but if they take it that's great. I'd do the extra year with Skjei and just go 8 x $5.5M. It takes him to 31. I don't think you get Brady below $5M unless you don't buy UFA years which would be a waste. Yea, I'd be fine with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Slavin is a superstar in the making. He headlines the Canes' young defense along with Brett Pesce, and to a lesser degree, Noah Hanifin. He's coming off a 34-point (5-29-34) season for Carolina last season and has 54 points in 145 games thus far in his career. Not to intentionally invite the backlash head on, since they're anathema around here, but fuck it — his value is really borne out in analytics. He's amongst the best defensemen in the league in penalty differential, and displays elite shot generation and suppression numbers comparable to your standard #1 defenseman. He's a career 52.1 CF%, and 52.2 FF% and does it all with a slight edge to defensive zone starts (52.6 dZS% to 47.6% oZS% respectively). I'm not sure this contract is a direct comparable for Skjei, but I suppose it's in the ballpark, albeit at the higher end of the spectrum. Skjei has only one professional year in the books in which he saw a greater degree of oZS/dZS% (58.8 to 47.6), but he's comparable in points. Slavin is much more relied on thus far in their careers, though. He averaged 23:26 TOI/G last season, which lead all Canes defensemen, and was 25th amongst all NHL defensemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Skjei needs to put in a solid, consistent year this year before I even think about giving him that kind of money....but he can do it. We've all seen his ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyb Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Slavin is a superstar in the making. He headlines the Canes' young defense along with Brett Pesce, and to a lesser degree, Noah Hanifin. He's coming off a 34-point (5-29-34) season for Carolina last season and has 54 points in 145 games thus far in his career. Not to intentionally invite the backlash head on, since they're anathema around here, but fuck it — his value is really borne out in analytics. He's amongst the best defensemen in the league in penalty differential, and displays elite shot generation and suppression numbers comparable to your standard #1 defenseman. He's a career 52.1 CF%, and 52.2 FF% and does it all with a slight edge to defensive zone starts (52.6 dZS% to 47.6% oZS% respectively). I'm not sure this contract is a direct comparable for Skjei, but I suppose it's in the ballpark, albeit at the higher end of the spectrum. Skjei has only one professional year in the books in which he saw a greater degree of oZS/dZS% (58.8 to 47.6), but he's comparable in points. Slavin is much more relied on thus far in their careers, though. He averaged 23:26 TOI/G last season, which lead all Canes defensemen, and was 25th amongst all NHL defensemen. It's crazy. When you think about their pipleline and include Hayden Fleury and Jake Bean, who the organization's fans both seem really high on, it's just insane young deep D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pws85nyr Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I'm not going to lie, I saw this extension and immediately though Skjei. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 It's crazy. When you think about their pipleline and include Hayden Fleury and Jake Bean, who the organization's fans both seem really high on, it's just insane young deep D. Yup. They can probably stand to move someone like Hanifin for a haul to a team who desperately need defensive help like Toronto. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I'm not going to lie, I saw this extension and immediately though Skjei. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk They're comparables, but Slavin is on the high end of that spectrum today. We can revisit after this season, assuming the Rangers don't opt for a mid season extension, but if he puts up a similar year, he'll get a deal nearly identical to Ghost, IMO. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyb Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 They're comparables, but Slavin is on the high end of that spectrum today. We can revisit after this season, assuming the Rangers don't opt for a mid season extension, but if he puts up a similar year, he'll get a deal nearly identical to Ghost, IMO. Agreed. I think Ghost was the more comparable player as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pws85nyr Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 They're comparables, but Slavin is on the high end of that spectrum today. We can revisit after this season, assuming the Rangers don't opt for a mid season extension, but if he puts up a similar year, he'll get a deal nearly identical to Ghost, IMO. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Exactly, see how this year goes. If he carries on this seasons play by late December, hit the mid season extension. If not wait it out and go lower. Slavin is essential a year ahead in the NHL. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Agreed. I think Ghost was the more comparable player as well. Based on the year of Skjei we know thus far, absolutely. I wrote a whole article on it for CFC. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyb Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Based on the year of Skjei we know thus far, absolutely. I wrote a whole article on it for CFC. Yeah, I remember that article and I remember when I got news of the contract. Perfect comparable, though I think Ghost is on PHI's first pair, is that wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Projects to play with Morin next season. Provorov and MacDonald on the first pair. Gudas and Hagg on the second. But I wonder what happens if someone like Sanheim impresses in camp. There's also Brandon Manning who Ghost played with most last season. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Fwiw, there's probably no way I'm taking this contract all the way to 30 if I'm Slavin/Skjei. Maybe there's no choice but, if you bet on yourself and develop, this contract could leave a lot of money on the table. I'd rather be a UFA when I'm 28 than 30. Because, either way, you'll probably get a contract until you're 34-35 anyways. Why take 7 x $5 if you can take 5 x $5.5 and then 7 x $6.5? I'd like my odds of getting another big contract if I'm a UFA before 30 than I would if I'm a UFA after I've already hit 30. It's the same factor at play in comparing Stepan to Bozak. No way Bozak brings in a top-10 pick and a good prospect. Heck, we're talking about flipping HOLDEN for him. The only significant difference between the two is age. guaranteed money. i'd take 10 bucks now then possibly 12 bucks 5 years from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 guaranteed money. i'd take 10 bucks now then possibly 12 bucks 5 years from now. Ok, fine. We're not talking about $2. We're talking about like $10m. There's a risk, sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlairBettsBlocksEverything Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 If you haven't heard of him it's because you aren't paying attention. He plays 23:00 a night and just had 30+ points. Not to mention the fact that he's a positive possession player with primarily DZS. This is basically what Skjei's contract would be, if he signed tomorrow. Same age, similar stats. This for sure. In about 3-4 years this will look like one of the best bargains for a contract in the league. I expect Carolina to be much better this year and for years to come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 guaranteed money. i'd take 10 bucks now then possibly 12 bucks 5 years from now. Look at Crosby, 5 years ago he signed a 12 year deal for $8.7 per. You think he's kicking himself now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Look at Crosby, 5 years ago he signed a 12 year deal for $8.7 per. You think he's kicking himself now? and what if his last year's concussion was career-ending? you think he'd be kicking himself knowing $69 million he'll be getting sitting on a couch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 Ok, fine. We're not talking about $2. We're talking about like $10m. There's a risk, sure. "bird in the hand..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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