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Phil in Absentia
03-15-2016, 10:24 AM
In the past, the NHL has not structured expansion drafts to provide early hope. In the last expansion draft in 2000, the Columbus Blue Jackets and Minnesota Wild received their choice of fourth-line forwards and third-pairing defensemen. They had hope in net because teams could protect only one goalie if they wanted to protect nine forwards and five defensemen. If teams protected two goalies, they could only protect seven forwards and three defensemen. Plus, every player with two seasons or less of professional experience was exempt from the draft.

Commissioner Gary Bettman, currently reviewing expansion bids from Las Vegas and Quebec City, has said that the expansion price tag will be at least $500 million. If new owners are paying that much money, they deserve a chance to compete almost immediately.

The Wild were better than most expansion teams and yet they missed the playoffs in eight of their first 11 seasons. The Blue Jackets have only qualified for the playoffs twice in their history.


To give expansion teams a better opportunity for instant success, the NHL should allow existing teams to protect six forwards, four defensemen and one goalie. Only one-year pros should be exempt. Once a team loses a player in the draft, it can protect three more players. No team can lose more than two players. The current general managers won’t love that plan, but it would give expansion teams a good start.


NHL teams may expose some stars that they would not have left unprotected in the past because of salary-cap reasons. Some teams may view the expansion draft as an opportunity to rid themselves of their overpaid players.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2016/03/15/nhl-expansion-las-vegas-quebec-city-gary-bettman/81800994/

Dunny
03-15-2016, 10:34 AM
It would be different now anyways due to the cap. There would be all kinds of talent left unprotected, they would just come with a brutal cap hit relative to their production.

Expansion seems insane when you're artificially propping up teams all over the place.

Blue Heaven
03-15-2016, 10:41 AM
I wonder what would happen to players with NMC? Would they be able to be left unprotected?

Cash or Czech?
03-15-2016, 10:42 AM
Please take Girardi or Staal. Please take Girardi or Staal...

Phil in Absentia
03-15-2016, 10:45 AM
While true (the bit about it being absurd), for the sake of this thread, let’s just operate from the position this is actually happening so we aren’t sidetracked by whether or not people believe it should happen. “Is expansion a good idea?” isn’t the same conversation, at all, as “if expansion occurs, how should it happen?”

I think you’re dead on the money, as is Allen, that you’ll see a lot of “big names” left exposed in the almost hope they are taken in an expansion draft, because it’ll serve as a means to get out from under bad deals, or for cap-ceiling teams to find a little relief. You’d assume the Rangers would expose at least one of Girardi or Staal, for example, if not both. But the most interesting part I found was Allen’s suggestion that only one-year pros should be exempt. That puts a whole new spin on who to protect and who not to, especially if you limit it to just six forwards, four defensemen and one goalie.

Using the Rangers as an example, you presume they’ll protect most of their top-6 (Miller, Stepan, Brassard, Zuccarello, at least), but do they protect Nash or Kreider? What about Kevin Hayes or Oscar Lindberg?

Cash or Czech?
03-15-2016, 11:04 AM
Miller, Stepan, Zucc, Brassard are definites. It begs the question of if we rebuild our other talent by letting Nash get exposed and using his salary elsewhere. Lindberg and Fast make for interesting, cheap options. Hayes hasn't done enough in his sophomore slump to justify protection. Kreider has turned it on, and may be worth it as an inconsistent 2nd liner. Lindberg has the making of a solid third line center with the ability to play up as well.

As for D, definitely McDonagh. The rest are up for grabs, IMO. I'm assuming rookies and AHL players like Skjei and Graves are exempt.

Could make enough space to re-sign Yandle. (Is Las Vegas coming into the league next year if approved?)

Blue Heaven
03-15-2016, 11:11 AM
I think we are a year too early to figure out who would be exposed to an expansion draft. A team will not be coming next season, it would be for the 2017-18 season if there is a team(s).

Pete
03-15-2016, 11:17 AM
It would be different now anyways due to the cap. There would be all kinds of talent left unprotected, they would just come with a brutal cap hit relative to their production.

Expansion seems insane when you're artificially propping up teams all over the place.

Exactly LOL.

This league should be contracting, but I won't hijack the thread.

The plan in the OP sounds reasonable. That, or you have to expose one of your top 5 scorers over the last 3 years.

NYR2711
03-15-2016, 11:28 AM
I would say that teams should be allowed to protect 1 goaltender, 6 forwards and 3 defensemen. In a cap world, this is great for teams, especially wth players on long term high cap hit contracts, especially the contracts with the NTC/NMC.

G1000
03-16-2016, 10:05 PM
It would be different now anyways due to the cap. There would be all kinds of talent left unprotected, they would just come with a brutal cap hit relative to their production.

Expansion seems insane when you're artificially propping up teams all over the place.

Makes things interesting for sure.

This hypothetical team could have a first line of Kessel-Stastny-Nash if they really want it.

Phil in Absentia
03-16-2016, 10:19 PM
It's good for the league to not set up expansion teams as journeymen rosters until they draft enough talent to be taken seriously. You're trying to market the team. Having them be horrible for the first five to ten years is the antithesis of good marketing.

Blue Heaven
03-18-2016, 11:07 AM
A little more expanded from the previous article

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2016/03/16/nhl-expansion-draft-las-vegas-quebec/81866034/


If the NHL expands, the new team or teams will have more talent to choose from than expansion teams of the past.

“We have made that a point to (general managers that) they are going to be forced to expose better players (in an expansion draft)," deputy commissioner Bill Daly said Wednesday at the general manager meetings.


teams are expecting they will only be able to protect seven forwards, three defensemen and a goalie. First- and second-year pros are exempt. Drafted but unsigned prospects from the two previous drafts are also exempt. What that means is that European or college players drafted three years before and unsigned would be eligible for the expansion draft.


Teams with salary cap issues might expose aging stars with long-term contracts. Daly said teams will be required to expose a yet-to-be finalized amount of contract dollars.


Expansion teams will have to meet the floor of the salary cap in their first season, and that would be difficult to do if they are choosing from a list of younger players with minimal cap hits.


Daly did say an existing team will only lose one player for each new team added.


One of the issues of the expansion draft still undecided is how the NHL will view players with no-movement clauses in their contracts.

Future
03-18-2016, 11:54 AM
I would say that teams should be allowed to protect 1 goaltender, 6 forwards and 3 defensemen. In a cap world, this is great for teams, especially wth players on long term high cap hit contracts, especially the contracts with the NTC/NMC.
In a cap world, that sucks, because it means young, cheap third liners are the ones who you won't be able to protect, and that's exactly who will get poached.

Lindberg, for example, would almost certainly be gone in this case, probably Hayes as well (Step, Brass, Zucc, Kreider, Nash, Miller).

DiJock94
03-20-2016, 08:35 PM
It would be different now anyways due to the cap. There would be all kinds of talent left unprotected, they would just come with a brutal cap hit relative to their production.

Expansion seems insane when you're artificially propping up teams all over the place.

Agree with this 100% there are teams that should be relocated, starting with the coyotes and the panthers, maybe even the Hurricanes.